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Star Wars--ESB old review (get some perspective)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by gettinbranded, May 11, 2002.

  1. gettinbranded

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    Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    Uh... So what's your point?

    I agree completely. In retrospect, the first movie was the best. It's almost like George Lucas made the first one by accident, and doesn't quite get why everyone liked it.

    They've slowly deteoriated from 'Episode 4 - A New Hope', though I did think #2 was better than #1, but for entirely different reasons that the first was good.

    Episode #1 almost seems to be an indulgance for his children. Episode #2, at least, has some plot but, as with every other movie, lacks the gritty atmosphere of the first film.

    I knew that Lucas just didn't get his own story when he went back and added Gredo's blaster effect before Han Solo's in the bar scene in the re-release.
     
  3. IVFL

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    Whats this? Empire was my favorite of all the Star Wars. I guess Im just a mindless sheep:rolleyes:

    I loved everything about Empire, The "strategery" used by Darth to lure Luke to the cloud city, it didnt go the way I would have wanted it to. Which made it very entertaining to me.

    How many times did that guy use the phrase, one, in the last paragraph?

    When one sees that one has made a mistake, one often confers with ones self to understand ones actions. . .
     
  4. MadMax

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    I think gettinbranded is trying to say that we should take the critics' persepective on Episode II with a grain of salt...by showing what this critic thought about Empire Strikes Back, to me clearly the best of all the Star Wars movies, he is pointing out how silly critics can be..

    am i right gettinbranded?
     
  5. Htownhero

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    Empire was my favorite too, but I guess if I hadn't seen ROTJ and had no idea where the story was going I might not get it either. But hey who cares, reviewers suck ass anyway.
     
  6. Nomar

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    I like Return of the Jedi the best. Oh well.

    Ottomaton- Whats your point about the Greedo blaster thing? I'm just not understanding.
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    IMHO, there was sort of a 'gritty underworld rogue/antihero' thing about Han Solo in the first movie that is intresting. There's a big difference between shooting first in anticipation of an attack, and shooting back in self defense.

    Lucas specificaly went back and redid this scene in a way that 'sanatised' many of the intresting contradictions of Han Solo's 'good guy' character. Lucas was heavily influenced by Akiro Kurosawa's films, an example of which, Yojimbo, was the basis for 'A Fistful of Dollars'. In that movie, Clint Eastwood's character, somewhat like Solo, is an amoral antihero in the original depiction.

    The fact that Lucas went back and specificaly changed this, seems to indicate that he forgot what was good about the films which influenced his original production, influences which were widely prased as making Star Wars more than just another Sci Fi flick.
     
  8. Nomar

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    Good point.
     
  9. gettinbranded

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    Dead on.

    Before the critics released their reviews, almost everything heard was positive...

    :confused:
     
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    very well said, Ottomaton
     
  11. Wakko67

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    Thanks for the article. I've already seen some less than stellar reviews on AOTC, but I positive that this one will be great.

    Only 4 days left!!! :D
     
  12. Coach AI

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    Actually, since I was born in 1977 the original Star Wars wasn't the first I saw in a theater, so maybe that's why I've always considered it the least interesting of the first trilogy.

    Empire was best, though I liked Return more than many seem to.


    EDIT: Also, I've been seeing a lot of people on messageboards that have seen advanced screenings. All have liked Ep 2 better than Ep 1. I am hoping this will be the case.

    And everyone's saying we'll be blown away by Yoda in this one...:D
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    Yoda kung-fu's 'ol Count Doku. It's actually kinda funny to watch him fight. He sorta hops around like a frog on speed.

    It's definately better than Epidode 1, and the big finale actually holds its own in comparison to the first 3 films.
     
  14. Mr.Scary

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    My favorite was Empire Strikes Back as well. Just liked the Hoth part and
    Boba Fett was really cool.
     
  15. RocketsPimp

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    Well done Ottomaton. I was watching the re-released version of Star Wars the other day and noticed the extra blaster effect and thought it took away from the scene. Han was supposed to the the tough, ruthless good guy. Having him shoot second was pointless because his reaction afterwards was the key part in that scene because it put Han's take no ****, smuggler attitude on display. The calm and cool attitude he showed when he just got up after blasting Greedo was classic and should have been left untouched.
     
  16. A-Train

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    Classic Simpsons moment: Homer and Marge walking out of the theater after Empire Strikes Back, and Homer saying, "WOW! Who would have thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father!"
     

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