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Stan Van Gundy vs Jeff Van Gundy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by devin23, Aug 5, 2010.

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Who is the better coach?

  1. Stan Van Gundy

    24 vote(s)
    20.7%
  2. Jeff Van Gundy

    92 vote(s)
    79.3%
  1. devin23

    devin23 Member

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    Who do you think is better as a coach. In my opinion, Stan is very good but he had better talent overall with his magic team then Jeff had with his Rockets team during his tenure. But overall, Stan probably still has a slight edge.
     
  2. devin23

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    And IMO, wade/shaq at the time > tmac/yao.
     
  3. kidcave9

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    Come on!

    Shoot!

    If JVG had the current Rox team we'd be Unstoppable!
     
  4. rock4ever

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    So not true. If JVG were coaching theres NO WAY Aaron Brooks would be starting for us. JVG would've NEVER had the patient to let Brooks blossom into the player he is today. Rick Adelman's not only a better coach, but he allows his players to make mistakes without bashing them. JVG never gave the team credit even after winning. If JVG were still coaching the Rockets would be a great defensive team with absolutley no offensive game plan....
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I don't know, they are both good coaches, but I think JVG is flawed in his approach, and overcommited to defense.

    Don't know enough about Stan.

    DD
     
  6. bjshot

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    AB doesn't have offensive game plan either. JVG is a professional coach. He can identify the talents as good as enybody. His team just happened to have no talents to pass Jazz and Dallas.
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    the JVG doesnt play rookies is so played out. It's amazing how much that myth still gets tossed around.

    As for the offense...give JVG the offensive talent the rockets have now and he would have no problem putting up points.

    DD...commitment to defense is flawed...Celtics? Spurs?
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I said "OVER" committment, maybe I should have said over emphasis.....

    His offense was too simple, and easy to defend, very basic....and the role players he brought in were almost always defensively oriented.

    I like defense as much as the next guy, but I believe a more balanced approach is necessary.

    JVG, IMHO, was far too controlling and as a result failed in his approach.

    When you get outcoached by a rookie coach in the playoffs, and fail to make adjustments.....you deserve to get fired.

    DD
     
  9. Depressio

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    I go by track record. Sorry, JVG lovers.
     
  10. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    I think JVG is able to do more with less talent using his defensive focus. That said, I haven't seen JVG maximize the talent on his team as well, but that holds true with SVG.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    How was he so OVER committed more so than the celtics and Spurs, or even the pistons a few years back? they preach/ed defense. What empirical data can you muster that proved that the rockets under JVG crossed this imagenary line of "over commitment"?

    Player he brought in. Didnt know he doubled as GM. I guess that means he brought in Tmac too, right? And luther head? Wesley & Sura were capable defensive players but hardly striclty defined as "defensive players".

    Offense too simple? Tell me what you offensive approach would be when you only had 2 legit scorers? Ignoring that question even, how would you explain comments that JVG had the thickest play book in the NBA? Or were those people just lying?

    outscored by a rookie coach you say. Oh I see, you mean the rookie coach who had a vastly superior talented team, while the rockets were also missing their starting PF and ushed out banged up players (SUra) yet still took them to 7 games. I see. Makes great sense.

    [​IMG]

    I don't even know why i try to have a normal discussion with you because you are unable to acknowlede the slightest thing if it must mean that you actually have to yield on something.
     
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  12. wreck

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    JVG would love to have a player like scola and lowry.
     
  13. coachbadlee

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    Don't forget outreffed. :rolleyes: If JVG had this team to work with, the Rockets would dominate. Plus he had busted up stars as well as garbage supporting staff to work with. I like Adelman, but IMO the JVG firing was more about the league than it was about the team.
     
  14. KingStevo10

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    With this current team I would live to have JVG back preached defense && now our offense would be good b/c of the team we had now.

    Just imagine if he was our coach. With ron artest he would of loved that guy. I remember him saying that Houston made a great trade and if he was a coach he would go to sacremento and give artest a piggy back ride to his team
     
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    Rockets Ranking in Offsnsive Efficiency, Defensive Efficiency, and Pace (possessions per 48 min) from 2004-2005 to 2009-2010.

    2004-2005: 15th/4th/24th
    2005-2006: 29th/6th/25th
    2006-2007: 15th/3rd/21st

    Adelman took over:

    2007-2008: 17th/2nd/21st
    2008-2009: 14th/4th/19th
    2009-2010: 16th/17th/6th


    Given the similarilty in the team's rankings during the McGrady/Yao years (and the one Artest/Yao year), except for the two particularly injury-struck years (2005-2006, and 2009-2010), I am not sure if any "over-committment" on either offense or defense by the coaches affects how the team actually performed.

    You give either Adelman or Van Gundy a similarly talented group of player, it seems they produced similar results.
     
  16. DraftBoy10

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    I'd say both are equal, and both will never win a ring. Too much panicing and too much stress. You have to show some faith and believe. The more calm, cool, and collective coach will generally win provided talent is comparable.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    Adelman is also overcommitted to defense and a flawed coach. How many rings does Adelman have again?

    Get rid of them both and bring in a proven winner who doesn't overcommit to defense.
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    What in the world does this image have to do with the rest of your post?

    Just curious.
     
  19. GRENDEL

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    He served, waiting for DD to return.....metaphor
     
  20. BrooksBall

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    Doh... get in now.

    The only thing I could come up with was him slamming the ball in DD's face but that seemed a bit harsh.
     

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