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Sportsradio 610: Astros extend William's contract through 2005

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by codell, Oct 22, 2003.

  1. codell

    codell Member

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    I like the job he has done, with the exception of the starters, and the subsequent over-use of the bullpen.

    However, two 2nd place finishes in 2 years does not warrant an extension IMO. I think the Astros should have waited at least until midway through next season to see where the club stood.
     
  2. Nick

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    yea... while I'm not a Jimy-basher, I do disagree with the timing of this extension.

    Was Jimy going to be a bad manager as a lame-duck manager? Probably not... and if he was, it would probably screw him in any future job oppurtunities anyways.

    Ah well... it really doesn't matter who the manager is as long as they don't have talent.
     
  3. rrj_gamz

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    I like what he's done this year given our lack of quality starting pitching...

    I'm not shocked, but a little surprised by the timing...
     
  4. JPM0016

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    Jimy took the team he had as far as they could go. the players just couldn't get it done. Hopefully the astros are able to bring in some new talent next year.
     
  5. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Exactly. Had Oswalt not been hurt this year, we'd have won the Central by 6+ games.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Great.... 2 more years of mediocrity.

    DD
     
  7. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Read the post above your's and try to argue against that. Of course, you probably believe that Jimy caused the injury somehow.
     
  8. Oski2005

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    I still think we should have gone after Felipe Alou.
     
  9. xiki

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    Optimist!
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    RM95,

    Do I think he caused the injury...what a stupid thing to imply.

    Of course not.

    I just think his management style STINKS....he has the quickest hook in the major leagues, and that kills the starting pitchers confidence.

    Not to mention, he can not even see a rising star like Ensberg through the mediocrity of Blum.

    Williams could NOT get it done with one of the highest payrolls in the major leagues in Boston, and he won't get it done here either.

    And we could have had Tony Pena.......

    (Sigh)

    DD
     
  11. xiki

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    shame is wasn't sigh - anora, Jimy.
     
  12. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Stats have been posted here that Blum was playing better than Ensberg. He simply hit a wall in late-July and well into August. The fact still remains had Oswalt not hurt his groin, we would've won the Central by 6+ games.

    His quick hook kept us in the race until the end.
     
  13. xiki

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    Fact? Hope, possibly good hope but not fact. At all.

    JWms' quick hook led to the bullpen running out of steam in the last weeks of the season. The strength became the weakness.

    Baseball season (stop me if you've heard this one before) is a marathon, not a sprint.
     
  14. Rocketman95

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    You're completely right. Unfortunately, the way our starting pitching performed at the beginning of the year, he had no choice or we would've been toast by June.

    You're also right that it's not a fact about Oswalt. However, the evidence points strongly to Oswalt giving us at least 17-18 wins had he been healthy all year. Since we were one game out, add 7-8 wins to that, you've got a 6+ game lead.

    None of this takes into account Kent's injury, Berkman's subpar year, Bagwell's streakiness, Miller's subpar year, etc.

    Williams did the best he could with what he had this year. I think next year, with Oswalt healthy, Miller returning to form, Berkman rebounding and a possible Hernandez return (crosses fingers), it could be a good year for the 'Stros.

    BTW, Jimy has won more playoff series than his predecessor. And that was with playing in the same division as the Yankees.
     
  15. SamCassell

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    I think Jimy got the most out of the pitching staff last season, and considering the Stros starters, who can blame him for the quick hook?

    But I'm still surprised at the extension. What has he done so far over 2 years to make you think "we need to lock this guy into a contract before he gets away"? 2 years, 2 seasons missing the playoffs. He's got a Terry Collins-esque record so far for us. And the team choked bigtime down the stretch this season. Larry Dierker got fired because his teams couldn't perform in the clutch against the Braves. Williams's bunch couldn't even win games against the Brewers when it mattered. I'd have waited until this next season was over to determine whether he should be the Stros' skipper in 2005.
     
  16. Rocketman95

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    I think the only argument for an extension is that had the team started off slowly next year, there's a chance that the players would stop listening to a lame duck manager. Unfortunately, as much as I love my team, we do have players who tend to clash with their managers.
     
  17. codell

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    Here is an interesting article on this subject:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=1626084

    Also, based on their month to month stats, at no point in the season, especially after the all star break, was Blum playing better than Ensberg. In fact, Ensberg stats were superior to Blums before and after the all-star break.

    http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASAp...p?playerID=150398&statType=1&club_context=hou

    http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASAp..._player_splits.jsp?playerID=348563&statType=1

    There is no way to justify Blum getting 40-50 more ABs than Ensberg did last year. It should have been Ensberg getting 40-50 more ABs than Blum. Although, most of the difference seems to be from earlier in the year when Ensberg was especially hot. This is when the team started out slow.

    I cant help but think that if Ensberg has been given the chance to start most of the games in April and May, that perhaps we would have gotten off to a better start as a whole.
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    Of course, that's possibly true, but you can't possibly blame Jimy for that given Ensberg's career up until that point.

    Blum also produced more (RBI) in less ABs in July and August, when we were having a problem scoring runs. Regardless, that's not why we didn't win the division.
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I don't think Jimy's bad, however why not just wait till next year.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I agree, there was no reason at all to extend it.

    What is wrong with a little fire under someone's bum?

    DD
     

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