I wonder if the Griz would trade SAF and Reeves and their pick for our 1st rounders, Cato, Taylor, and Hakeem. If they would, would you do it? We get: A star SF our future C or PF and a bloated contract They get: A decent PF, which they need A good C (if they want to win in Memphis immediately to establish a fan base) A C with great athleticism (ha ha) and some guys to fill their roster (they need LOTS of help, not one draft pick) And they unload a dissatisfied player Would you guys do it on the Rockets part? It seems more even than most of the deals we see bandied about... but I'm not so sure I would. I was just trying to think of deals that made sense for both times and allowed us to trade up, and this one came to mind. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited May 21, 2001).]
Oh please, not that fat pile of fat Big Country. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
no pain, no gain The question isn't whether that deal is "only" good for us... but rather the Rockets would be better off after than before. It "fills" both holes that the Rockets currently have. It also gives them a bad payroll situation. In the end, I think it's worth it... barely. *shrug* ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
I don't want Shareef Abdur-Fahim. I think the ONLY way I would do that is if we are SURE to land Webber...I'd rather have a hole in the 3 spot than create one at the 4. ------------------ Jazzkiller
Well for me. . . If hakeem really wants 10 mil ~ 8 Mil then I would unfortunately do this deal I think Reeves' contract *is* an albatross but f*ck he Produces SOMETHING unlike HATE-O! He has decent range he is a big body and he is 6 fouls Reef is just got MADD Upside [this is of course in a webberless rocket world] Rocket River ------------------
Here, try this idea. I posted this in another thread & only got one response from ZRB. I hope it's not because it's a stupid idea. If Vancouver is really desperate enough, maybe we can force them into a trade for Swift. Here's a three way with Chicago that works, cap wise anyway. Houston sends Walt/KT/Drew obligation to Chicago. Houston sends LOS/#18 pick(assuming we get it) to Vancouver. Chicago sends Crawford/Fizer to Vancouver. Vancouver sends Stromile to Houston. Vancouver sends Bibby to Chicago. Houston's reason for doing it: We drop $4.4 mill in salary(or $2.2 mill more than if we just opted out of LOS's contract) & acquire Swift. I know he didn't show a lot last year, but he's got major upside & Rudy/CD were high on him last year. Chicago's reason for doing it: They get a true PG & are released from our strangle hold on their draft picks. They also acquire a very good & cheap backup for Brand. Vancouver's reason for doing it: They get the #18 pick that they're desperate for, LOS whom they can opt out on, Fizer & Crawford to replace Swift & Bibby. It all depends on how desperate Vancouver is & what Orlando might want to send the pick over. hmmmm.... Any thoughts? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited May 21, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited May 22, 2001).]
Hottoddie: I'm not sure that I'd take it. I didn't watch my Grizzlie basketball this year (grin), but Stromile didn't do much, did he? Even on a bad team, his stats were pretty poor. In return, we'd be giving up an excellent proven backup PF and a draft pick. That might be too much. Would we be saving money at all? Los is a free agent anyway, and Swift might make more than Thomas and the #18 combined. Of course, if we would be saving money... well, it would depend on what our other options are . The deal sounds decent for both the Grizz and Chicago, though. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Ah ha ha ha ha, haaaaaaaaaa ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
toddie-I'd take it. Sign a veteran PF, or short term solution (Jerome Williams? Horace Grant? Otis Thorpe? Chris Gatling?) for a couple of years to let Swift develop, and focus in on SF and C. That deal would clear more cap space, facilitating other moves as well. ------------------ "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure.
Nike, My thinking is that we'd play him at SF. He's 6'9" & 225 lbs.. The only question is would he be quick enough & could he shoot the 3 pointer. I've not seen him play, but every story I've read has indicated that he's real quick & athletic. Haven, Swift averaged per game: 16.4 minutes 4.9 points 3.6 rebounds 0.4 assists 0.78 steals 1.03 blocks 0.8 turnovers 2.0 personal fouls He played in 80 games, shot 45% from the field, hit 60% of his free throws, & 0% from 3 point range (0-4). Not dominating numbers, but definitely worth going for. We'd also be getting rid of Walt's salary & all reports indicate that the Rockets don't really want 3 #1 picks, because it would hamper their efforts to acquire Webber. We actually drop $4.4 mill in the deal & would receive a trade exception of $4,420,840, which I would assume we would renounce if we truely have a chance at Webber. ZRB, LOL Sorry guy, that came out all wrong. I meant, that because it only got one response, I hoped it wasn't a stupid idea. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited May 21, 2001).]
No prob- and it sounds like a solid deal to me. If nothing else comes through, it would be a nice option. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
Apparently, Stromile is not very Quick after all. I remember earlier in the year hearing a story about his teammates nicknaming him "Slowmile." No thanks ------------------
Just a hunch, but I think Rudy was talking up Stromile last year because he wanted Mike Miller and Dermar Johnson to fall one more spot so the Rockets would have a chance at them, particularly Miller. I have never been that impressed with SAR, although he is certainly not chopped liver. And, as far as Big Country goes, if we could keep him away from the table and in the weight room, he can be a very dominating center. But, then again, if we could keep Cato in the weight room and motivated, we would have just as good a center and at a much cheaper price. ------------------
Yeah, the Grizz labeled Stromile as "Slowmile." Trying to call the kid dumb. Of course, his favorite team is the Rockets. Will he develop? He's a little light for the 4. Teams seem to be placing a premium on shooters in the zone. ------------------
do not mistake stromile's lack of playing time for lack of ability. for some unknown reason, he could not get on the damn court last year. when he did, this is what i saw: very active defense. very aggressive, "forward progress" offensive post moves. decent, serviceable jumper. NO FEAR. that said, he did a very good job on tim duncan this year. he was active, blocked a couple of tim's & dave's shots (although dave is a b****) and made them play "d". i'd take him in a second. don't let the stats fool you. if you put him on another team, with good coaching, he'll develop nicely. for those who have to have stats (you know who you are): stro v. spurs: March 5, 2001 19 minutes, 6 pts (3-7), 7 boards (3 offensive), 2 steals, 3 blocks January 23, 2001 19 minutes, 4 pts (2-4), 4 boards, 2 blocks December 3, 2001 20 minutes, 5 pts (2-7), 6 boards November 11, 2001 22 minutes, 14 points (5-10), 4 boards, 2 steals, 2 blocks this is with no help, undersized (weight), against the spurs. and i saw every one of these games. he held his own against tim & co. in fact, he gave them matchup problems with his quick, quick, quick leaping ability on "o" and "d". he'd be a great 3/4 project for us to work on at, more than likely, a very low cost, since vancouver is not that stable a franchise.
I didn't mean to sound like I was disparaging the guy. I'd certainly welcome his addition to the Rockets. However, I'd prefer getting Mike Miller or Joe Johnson. ------------------
