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[SPECULATION] How about another deal with New York?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DieHard Rocket, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. DieHard Rocket

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    I posted something about this in the Jerome James thread in the Dish, and I've put some more thought into it so I thought I'd bring it up here and see what everyone thinks. Now that the Knicks have overpaid Jerome James and just drafted David Lee and Channing Frye, they have 7 potentially serviceable big men on the roster. They have 17 players on the roster...obviously someone has to go. Usually I'm the last person to whip up a trade scenario out of the blue, but I felt this made sense for both teams.

    While I optimistically hold out hope that Stromile chooses winning over money, I think each day that passes makes the chances worse and worse for landing him (without a sign and trade). I have a feeling the market for PF's is going to skyrocket just like SG's did, especially after James just got $5-6 million a year. I also don't want to see the Rockets sink the payroll by agreeing to a sign and trade that overpays for Swift, and makes us take on a guy like Jason Williams who is high risk or a headcase like Bonzi Wells (who really doesn't shoot well enough for our needs). We don't NEED a flashy player or a 20/10 guy at PF...we just need a serviceable guy that can get the job done, and we need some depth. On to my point...

    How about a deal for Michael Sweetney? I honestly haven't seen him play much at all, so I was hoping someone could give us some insight about him.

    '04/'05: 8.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, .3 bpg, .522 fg%, .74 ft% (in 19.6 mpg)

    His numbers aren't bad at all considering the minutes he's played, and he's still young. Obviously he doesn't have the upside that Stromile has, but his numbers are actually pretty close even though they are different types of PF. From what I can gather Sweetney is a big body, tough to stop in the paint (see the high FG%), and a solid rebounder (if he's better than Howard that's a plus). My only questions about him are his midrange jumper and his defense. He also doesn't seem to be very athletic, but if we don't get Swift or Marshall we start to run out of options...almost anything is better than what we have behind Howard.

    Sweetney + Jerome Williams
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    Weatherspoon + Baker + #1 pick 2006


    Yes the Knicks are getting their old garbage back, but they are more concerned about clearing salary and roster space than getting serviceable players. They can buyout Spoon and Baker to clear roster space. Jerome Williams is overpaid (3 seasons left on his deal, making more than Howard) but we're going to have to help them out to make it work. Williams has been a pretty decent player in his career as well, a good rebounder, and he offsets some of Sweetney's weaknesses, such as athleticism.

    I really don't think Isaiah is going to find any takers for a package of Sweetney and Tim Thomas/Hardaway, so hopefully he'll look down at the contract of Jerome Williams, who only got 15 mpg last year, and take the expriring contracts and a pick to dump him off.

    Not only do we solve our depth problems at PF, but we still have Wesley/Sura/James left if we want to change up the backcourt, not to mention the MLE leftover. If CD could pull it off, we could fill more than one hole now, instead of throwing everything in the pot for Stromile or 'Tione and limiting our options.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Got Em

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    I wouldn't do it. Maybe if you leave out the first round pick, then I'll think about it. William still has 2 years on his contract at around 8 million per.
     
  3. HAYJON02

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    him and othella seemed pretty redundant last year when they had them both. i didnt see sweetney in college, only his rookie season, so i cant talk about his upside. seems like he'd be a good backup tho. id trade ward for him straight up just to give them the cap relief. actually, just forget the whole thing, haha.
     
  4. white lightning

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    We already have one- Juwon is servicable.
     
  5. toby

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    Call me silly, but you can't just trade someone after you sign him unless it is a sign and trade (and you have to have his rights first to do that). Jerome, if he does infact sign in NY won't be able to go anywhere till mid december. That would be like us signing Stro and trading him away for cap room and expiring contracts. why?
     
  6. toby

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    oops

    wrong jerome . . . sorry
    nevermind
     
  7. toby

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    i think everyone can call me silly now
     
  8. gucci888

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    Sweetney is a good young player, he's got a big build and played well in limited minutes. I've always like JYD as well, he's one of those energy guys that every team can use, but the curse of the NBA contract struck again w/ him.

    I wouldn't want to give up a 1st though in that deal.
     
  9. jopatmc

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    BURP!

    Sweatney=Tractor Traylor
    Jerome=overpaid Ryan Bowen with a touch of Artestitis
     
  10. Hakeem06

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    i like some of the PF's they have. williams and sweetney especially but williams is getting paid WAY TOO much for being a role player off the bench and sweetney doesn't defend very well. he's a good scorer and rebounder though, but i don't think he'd be much of an upgrade over howard except the fact he's younger and cheaper, but i doubt we could dump howard. it's an interesting situation they're in because we need PF's who can contribute but i don't think anything will happen.
     
  11. drpepper

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    No way!

    Williams contract is flat out sick.

    He's REALLY overpaid.
     
  12. DieHard Rocket

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    Yes, but we aren't going to make it a whole season with just Juwan, not to mention his health problems. We need someone to at least back him up.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd still take Stromile over this at the right price. I'd even take Walker or Marshall if they came at the MLE.

    But if we don't land any of those guys I'd rather do this than go throw the MLE at someone who isn't close to being worth it (like a Brian Grant)...even though we are taking on a bad contract in Williams, at least we get a solid backup with it and a guy who could develop into a starter. Also keep in mind that this pick should be at least as high as it was this season...so we're talking late first round.

    The Spurs, Lakers, and Rockets have all won championships with average frontcourt players next to an all-star guy. The Spurs just won with Nazr Mohammed and Robert Horry (clutch player, but not better than average when it comes to PF skills) next to Duncan.. The Lakers won with Samaki Walker and other low-budget guys. The Rockets of old won their second title with freakin Chucky Brown (no offense to his fans ;))and Robert Horry next to Dream. We don't need to go blow a bunch of cap space on big name guys is all I'm saying. Sweetney is just an option if we can't find anyone else affordable in free agency.
     
  13. Mav-Hater

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    I know I have said this before but I will say it again.....Crack Kills!

    Just say no. Why do we want more Knicks?
     
  14. AMS

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    sweetney is the reason kurt is in the desert.
     
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    sweetney was one of my classmates at georgetown. although small, he is more athletic than he looks. hes a very hard working player and a tenacious rebounder. has a fair post game and is a good scrappy player. Better rebounder than juwon, but maybe not as much offense. better than padge, spoon or anyone else we have. would be a great bench pf.
     
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    ...your so silly...you silly bear
     
  17. mateo

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    When I saw the Rockets beat the Knicks here in NY (and run Lenny) I was not all that impressed with Sweetney.

    Of course, thats the only Knicks game I watched all season. Eastern Conference = BLEAH.
     
  18. tiger0330

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    Why would the Knicks do this trade, they already have like 50 old broken down PFs and now you want them to make it 52. That's our problem in suggesting any trades, we don't have lot to trade on this team. I think Mike James is our only real tradeable asset, I look for him to go if we do a SnT for AW/SS/SAR.
     
  19. DieHard Rocket

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    If you look at NY's team, they don't need players. They need cap room and roster space. Looking at my original post..."Yes the Knicks are getting their old garbage back, but they are more concerned about clearing salary and roster space than getting serviceable players. They can buyout Spoon and Baker to clear roster space". More than likely they'd buyout Spoon and Baker to clear the roster space...it's not like they are going to play anyway, and both of their contracts end after the season so it doesn't necessarily hurt NY to buyout. That first round pick would have to be at least lottery protected for the Rockets I would think.

    I just don't want to see the Rockets end up with Spoon or Chris Andersen as a backup PF. There is no way we will improve with just Howard at the 4.
     

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