Jack Hunter just keeps annihilating. <object width="640" height="505"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/CrJ2DGWftsM?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/CrJ2DGWftsM?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="505"></embed></object> "When a Confederate heritage group decided to hold a "Secession Ball" to commemorate the 150th anniversary of South Carolina leaving the union, it made national headlines--and the controversy that ensued said more about the event's critics than the attendees."
Here is a kick-ass liberal Southern (influenced) mind at work. Enjoy guys, apologies for the poor sound quality, but worth a listen despite: EDIT: swapping in the studio version, much better: <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8NTh07MYqMA?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8NTh07MYqMA?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
You do not celebrate a political act prefaced on the preservation of an institution that oppressed the ancestors of 30% of your local constituency. How about a redlining and educational disenfranchisement ball to go with it?
Sorry,...I'm just drunk and pissed at what people don't understand is being American is being ALL of American. I'd delete if I can.
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZZf619DIpo?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZZf619DIpo?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Yes, I'm still drunk, but my beliefs are still the same.... secession is TRAITORISM... no AND IF OR BUTS about it. Resolve our problems internally or GTFO!!!! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!
That Southern Avenger spiel is the stupidist piece of crap I've heard in a long time. I tried to stomach the whole thing but I quit when equated secession with the civil disobedience of the Civil Rights movement. How absurd can you get? <table style='font:11px arial; color:#333; background-color:#f5f5f5' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='360' height='353'><tbody><tr style='background-color:#e5e5e5' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;'><a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com'>The Daily Show With Jon Stewart</a></td><td style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; text-align:right; font-weight:bold;'>Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c</td></tr><tr style='height:14px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;' colspan='2'<a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-9-2010/the-south-s-secession-commemoration'>The South's Secession Commemoration<a></td></tr><tr style='height:14px; background-color:#353535' valign='middle'><td colspan='2' style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; width:360px; overflow:hidden; text-align:right'><a target='_blank' style='color:#96deff; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/'>www.thedailyshow.com</a></td></tr><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><embed style='display:block' src='http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:368116' width='360' height='301' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='window' allowFullscreen='true' flashvars='autoPlay=false' allowscriptaccess='always' allownetworking='all' bgcolor='#000000'></embed></td></tr><tr style='height:18px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><table style='margin:0px; text-align:center' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%' height='100%'><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/'>Daily Show Full Episodes</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com/'>Political Humor & Satire Blog</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='www.facebook.com/thedailyshow'>The Daily Show on Facebook</a></td></tr></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
There is a substantial argument that the Civil War was a war between the states or even a war of Northern aggression but you can't ignore the fact that the primary reason Southern states wanted to protect their degree of independence was because of slavery. As much as the war was a conflict about of self-determinism that self-determinism was based on denying the ability of a whole class of people to determine how they wanted to live their own lives.
"Secession is a political act, similar in its ends to civil disobedience. Were Sharpton and his fellow 1960s civil rights protesters trying to “destroy the United States” in their struggle to resist an unjust political machine? Many white Southerners at that time certainly thought so. Yet, these so-called “agitators” were actually patriots who understood that loyalty to their own people sometimes meant defying the government. In fighting for the Confederacy, Robert E. Lee declared that his first loyalty was to Virginia, not Washington, D.C. This is patriotism proper, and those who say otherwise have a rather bizarre and perverted view of that term." civil disobedience –noun 1. the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes. Compare noncooperation ( def. 2 ) , passive resistance. I would recommend watching the entire video.
Some of the earliest examples of nullification were states that resisted fugitive slave laws, in which federal law dictated that escaped slaves must be returned to their masters. Eric Foner, a fairly establishment historian with a preference for centralized government, writes of the abolitionists’ states’ rights arguments: “Radicals in some states invoked the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798-99, in which Jefferson and Madison had claimed for the states the power to challenge or even override national legislation… . Some Republicans spoke of nullification.” Abraham Lincoln critic and author Thomas DiLorenzo has noted that Foner praises Lincoln for denouncing nullification and upholding the Fugitive Slave Act, which sent escaped slaves back into bondage because it was the “rule of law.” So was Lincoln pro-slavery? When the Southern states seceded, Lincoln supported adding an amendment to the Constitution that would forever protect slavery under federal law. Lincoln hoped this might coax the South back into the union. Obviously, it didn’t work. So when praising Lincoln today, why isn’t this rather significant detail part of the “Great Emancipator” narrative? Because his admirers prefer to portray a wholly benevolent leader.
I would recommend realizing that secession, as practiced by the South, was the exact opposite of the civil rights movement. Secessionists wanted to be able to keep black people subjugated and, when defeated by the North, continued to keep their boots on the neck of black people for very nearly a century.
You are not helping your slim thread of credibility with rationalizing secession with civil rights related civil disobedience. That is Orwellian logic. I urge you to continue expressing your full range of political thought. It is very telling.
Or perhaps because he emancipated the slaves. What Lincoln accomplished far outweighs his failed attempt to appease Southern leaders without a war. I see that as a mark of a great leader, he worked to try and avoid a war (which every leader should) even though the compromise would have been an odious one, but once the war was inevitable did the right thing and freed the slaves.
I'm actually proud of my southern heritage. I have a connection to the south that isn't about slavery but about a culture a politeness, and genteel way of doing things. I remember Andrew Young talking about what it means to be a southerner and how his wife had a very hard time when they were in NY because he was a diplomat to the UN. She went shopping on the first day she was there and came home in tears because she was used to people being so polite, and wasn't ready for the lack of manners and customer service. Andrew Young has a fondness for Southern Culture that I relate to as well. But I think it's different than those who try and pretend that in the civil war Slavery wasn't really an issue, and the things worth celebrating in regards to the south don't have to do with secession from the union. However southern culture is something unique to the south, and it is something that the northerners never understood. They still don't I understand. I think Faulkner had something great to say about it. William Faulkner, in "Intruder in the Dust", said that for every southern boy, it's always within his reach to imagine it being one o'clock on an early July day in 1863, the guns are laid, the troops are lined up, the flags are out of their cases and ready to be unfurled, but it hasn't happened yet. And he can go back in his mind to the time before the war was going to be lost and he can always have that moment for himself.
Lincoln's first goal was to preserve the union. If keeping slavery would have done that he was willing to do that. However he is celebrated becasue in the end, he stopped slavery. That is a fact, and it is what he did.
These are two entirely different concepts. There is only one similarity-chiefly, disobedience of laws. Of course, the Civil Rights movement was about disobeying rules to create a better country where the rules were more equitable while the secession movement disobeyed "rules" because they just split from the whole thing. Seriously, comparing secession to civil rights is like comparing running over a person to crashing into a tree. Yes, you were driving a car in both cases.
