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something for the Wink-haters to marinate on....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gram!, Apr 7, 2002.

  1. gram!

    gram! Member

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    ok , i have read enough. some people on this board keep harping about how horrible wink is, but i suggest we think about a few things before we pass this judgment.
    first, he has been unhealthy most of this season. when he was unhealthy, the rocks completely ate it, and have been out of contention, it is very difficult to get motivated when you havent been able to play with a solid lineup. which leads me to the second point....
    two, the other scoring threats, mo taylor and glen rice, and to a lesser extent walt williams have all been either out, or injured, hence the opposeing defences can focus on the only other threats, wink and cat. cat has had little problems 'cause he just shoots....and shoooots. anyway, this effects wink the most 'cause he is trying to draw defenders to him, and then dish out.... to whom? cat? the other 2 guys cover him up or wait in the lane to steal the ball, and then to who else? t-mo? oscar? eddie? cato? the only reason langhi did anything the other day is because the other team doesn't give a shht about letting him score a few, are they gonna get beat by a langhi or collier? i doubt it. all we got right now is bad shooters who rarely hit consistantly. if they hit, we win, if they don't (which is most of the time) wink just gets clobbered and the other team will collect the rebound.
    third, kenny, he is doing really well, but i think it really hurts that he is not very consistant, and does not pass the ball very well. he is like cat, but not as regular. he does not back to the basket so he loses the ball alot.once again, we have 2 really good one on one players, and one special player that tries to get everyone involved, but gave up because of the inconsistancies of his teamates. all the defences focuse on him, and he ends up looking foolish. normally it is good that he demands the whole defense to be geared to stop him, but at this moment, it is overwhelming 'cause we don't have the firepower to mix it up.
    so what to do? no one is fooled about what will happen when the rockets head down the court, wink or cat will try to score. wink is really screwed 'cause they know there is no other threat! it is like watching 3 on 5 basketball. you know why we lose? who can can wink and cat trust to help them? no one, they are playing with a bunch of scrubs and the other teams know it. so, sit back and relax, after this intentional tank (no other reason langhi and collier are playing) we get our kids healthy and we will be in the hunt again next year. the moment mo-tay went down and marc jackson was denied, we were done. this team has not had a chance to show what it can do, so chill!!! can you imagine what could have happened last year if we had cato playing the way he is now? plus willis, we would have phucked some shht up!! sooooo, marinate on that, and stop hatin on wink!
     
  2. kidrock8

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    Good points.

    However, I think Steve is fair game to criticism, just like any of the the other players.

    One last thing, use PARAGRAPHS.
     
  3. gram!

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    ha! ok! i will try that whole....how do you say, "paragraph" thing out. very interesting:) well, no, i don't think he is beyond reproach, but he is our franchise, and he is just frustrated like the rest of us. it is just plain ludichris to suggest we get rid of him. this team just needs a few minor adjustments and we will be ready to get to the playoffs. just keep hope alive!
     
  4. Roc Paint

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    I am with you Gram.
    Excellent post.. :)
    As far as kidrock8 goes, he's not exactly the "Will Hunting" of the BBS, so pay no attention to him..
    GO ;) !!
     
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  5. DearRock

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    Gram, although I do not consider myself a wink-hater, I will suggest you look at his shooting percentage compared to others on the team. You will see that his shooting percentage suggests he should pass more.
     
  6. gram!

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    weeeeellllll, as i stated in my post, defenses are specifically geared for him. he is usually being double teamed, and then guys are waiting in the lane cause they know who he is going to pass to. they cover the high percentage guys, and take a chance on guys like langhi to brick they shot. also, i am sure he is frustrated with his sucky team and is dissinterested. there is a sense of him doing too much and there is not a good flow to his game right now. just wait and see. of course, some fools just love to hate!;)
     
  7. gram!

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    oh yeah! also, you try playing a little 2 on 5 and see how well your shooting percentage is. 'sides, whoever he passes the ball to is just gonna lose it, pass it back 'cause they want no part of shooting, or throw up a brick. (sigh) i guess there is nothing better to do than to start daydreaming of this summer!
     
  8. finalsbound

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    Thanks gram! for that post. It's time for people to realize that Steve shoots a lot because THERE ARE NO SHOOTERS ON OUR TEAM!! Wanna know why Payton gets so many assists? He's got players like BARRY and SHARD and MASON and guys that are capable of being a consistant shooter. Sure, Steve could pass. I think he's already tried. But nobody on this damn team can hit jumpers. So he takes on the offensive load. I hate Steve-bashers. Don't they understand, there is MIMIMAL talent on this team.
     
  9. ZRB

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    A lack of pure shooters is exactly why Rudy's system isn't working. The drive and dish will never work with Steve unless he is surrounded by great three-point shooters. Right now, if you were to start Rice, Bullard, and Williams in place of Langhi, Thomas and Collier, the Rockets would be a much better team. The defense would be just as crap, but the scoring would be in the 100 range. Teams are able to crowd Steve and Cuttino because there's no fear of being burned from the three-point arc. That's one of the reasons Eddie should start. I'd like to see him playing with Steve more, rather than Moochie.

    Kenny Thomas can not be the starter at PF next year. If the Rockets are going to stick with this system, then they will need a reliable outside shooter- either Taylor, or Griffin- to fill that spot. Cato is fine at center because of that great alley-oop play. The Rockets will need a brilliant shooter at small forward. That is why the incredibly unlikely scenario of Lewis joining the team would be perfect.

    The Rockets are just a few pure shooters (and maybe a little D) away from being an excellent team.
     
  10. WinkFan

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    We also really really need someone with a post-up game. And maybe more than a little D.
     
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    I've thought all along that are problem was missing Maurice Taylor. The guy can shoot the medium range jumper with great consistency. He's perfect for the Rudy style offense. Add him to the mix and I think we have last years record.
     
  12. gram!

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    i don't think that anyone should underestimate the impact of mo taylor. or the lack of mo. mo does require more defensive focuse because of his size. kenny, while he can score, frequently gets blocked or turns the ball over because all he can do is cut to the basket. mo can consistantly hit that 15-20 footer, and he was working on a post move too. since he was a threat from 20 ft out, he required more attention, earlier than kenny. kenny would be AWSOME if he was a few inches taller, or had longer arms....doood is like an alligator wit those short arms of his. on another note, you can see from the miami game that wink needs more guys he has confidence in and will war with him. if only we could get rashard....
     
  13. finalsbound

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    I agree, gram! Definitely Mo has something going for him - his 6'10 frame.
     
  14. ZRB

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    Okay, they need a lot of D. I'm hoping that Griffin will develop into that low post presence the Rockets need. Meanwhile, the nucleus should be surrounded by Mario Ellie clones- defensive role players who can shoot. This team has plenty of stars. The role players are among the worst in the league.
     
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    See anyone that fits the bill?

    I know Ham's not a shooter but I really like his junk yard dog game.
     
  16. OverRRated

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    I can agree......only because I remember what he is capable of from the second half of last season.
    IMO, next year, he's fair game..........assuming he's healthy.


    And on a side note:
    Power Fowards that prefer to play 20 feet away from the basket won't help this PARTICULAR team in the long run.
    Just my opinion.
     

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