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Some insights about a fronted Yao [NOT a Yao hate thread]

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocketsfan86, Apr 24, 2009.

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  1. Rocketsfan86

    Rocketsfan86 Member

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    I enjoyed the win! But some insights on our offense. I talked about Yao needs to do his part to solve the fronting and talked about why Tmac should not be traded.




    Yes, it is obvious that this league has figured out a T-Mac-less-Yao. They just simply put a quicker C on him to front, problems solved. Rockets are stunned and doesn't know how to run another play. I have noticed that if the Rockets run a play trying to pass to a fronted Yao, it always end up with a shot clock violation or end up with mad dribbling and then a jacked up jump shot.

    We have had so many threads about giving solutions to a fronting Yao and listing problems about a fronting Yao. The most I have seen is about how we don't have an entry passer to Yao. This is indeed a truth but Yao also needs to do his part. From the previous games and many other games when Yao gets fronted, he basically just "gets fronted". He has to do his part getting out of this too. He must maneuver around the defender for a better position to get the ball. INstead, he basically just pushes the fronting defender's back and raised his hind arm hoping for a lob pass that he knows will never happen. He barely would move around the player for a position. What he's doing was like saying "O ****, I'm fronted again and look, we are trying to get the ball to me but we can't...o wells, swing the ball around...we tried." That is not enough to solve the problem. Yao must know that he has his part to do too. (For sooo sensitive the people on this board are, I have to stress again that I'm NOT hating Yao!) Yao has his part, the passer has his part.

    T-Mac does that really well and is probably the best player to do this. Tmac used to run high PnR with Yao where Yao just rolls while Tmac penetrates, if Yao's defender comes up to D Tmac, Tmac would just miraculously pass the ball to Yao for easy layup/dunk/foul. Time and time we see a Tmacless-Yao doing a PnR today with different players mostly Brooks, Brooks usually just backs off around the PnR (what the hell? just wasted a PnR and 8 seconds on the clock) or he would use the pick and drive into a defender instead of paying attention to a rolling Yao for an easier basket (I am NOT hating Brooks now). Tmac also knows how to get the ball to the big fella to a position he likes. Battier does this well sometimes. But Brooks and Artest just literally doesn't know the best time and best place to get the ball to a nonfronted Yao. This is the value of Tmac and could link to the point why we should not trade away Tmac. Tmac played with Yao for how many years...i forgot but more than 5...there wouldn't be another player better at this job and I'm sure the entire Rockets club doesn't want to spend another 5 years on another player to grow chemistry with Yao. TMac will play until his contract ends; whether he will stay or not depends on his performance next year after rehab. If Tmac goes, Yao's days as a Rocket would also shrink as we all can see how dangerous it is with an ineffective Yao. Trying to force feed Yao often leads to blowing leads. Tonight Yao was ineffective again because of fronting, we nearly blew a 17 point lead (I like Yao and IMO Yao is a dominant center in today's league, no one can guard him one on one when he has the ball). TMac Yao combo is still the most dangerous weapon on this team, a weapon that we truly miss in playoffs games. God bless Tmac's rehab and for Yao's future performance.
     
    #1 Rocketsfan86, Apr 24, 2009
  2. TheGreat

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    We would be up 3-0 right now with a healthy McGrady.
     
    #2 TheGreat, Apr 24, 2009
  3. yAlaNz

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    We would be up 3-0 if we made a few more free throws... :D
     
    #3 yAlaNz, Apr 24, 2009
  4. HtownForever

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    yao is useless when they frontin him. he is just too slow
     
    #4 HtownForever, Apr 24, 2009
  5. Obito

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    Your very brave.

    Hope you have a flame suit on.
     
    #5 Obito, Apr 24, 2009
  6. LCII

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    It's not liek T-mac is the only player in the league who has the skillset to make a consistent pass to Yao. There are plenty of talented players who can do T-mac's job. But I agree with what you're saying. I just dont think only T-mac's capable of doing the job.
     
    #6 LCII, Apr 24, 2009
  7. apollo33

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    ya i really really miss tmac and his ability to penetrate. (flame suit on).. seriously, brooks and artest just looks confused when yaos fronted and wastes 15 seconds each possesion just to fail getting the ball to him.
     
    #7 apollo33, Apr 25, 2009
  8. janpwnz

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    Great post. I think we should build a temple right next to the toyota center so that all the rockets fans can go there and pray for both T-mac and Yao to have a full HEALTHY season together NEXT YEAR ><
     
    #8 janpwnz, Apr 25, 2009
  9. chewy016

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    there were a couple of times tonight where i thought yao was open and brooks just looked the other way. and then when yao would come up to screen blake brooks would go the opposite direction of the screen and shoot over both blake and oden guarding him. AND miss. but back to the fronting, there were also times when yao would swing to the other side and would be open. its just that the window to pass it to him is small. why don't we set up some kind of screen on yao's defender as yao is switching side. that might give yao more time.
     
    #9 chewy016, Apr 25, 2009
  10. Bustnani

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    you're asking a tree stump to battle for postion, sorry it's not going to happen. Yao is the slowest player in the league, every player can get around him with ease. I think Yao has to turn into Big Z. After this series, EVERY team is going to employ fronting defense when they need to deny him the ball.
     
    #10 Bustnani, Apr 25, 2009
  11. Rocketsfan86

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    ya that's the problem in this series we had like 4 shot clock violations this series. they would just hold up the ball watching a fronted yao and waste a few seconds on the court then give up by swinging along the 3 point line...shot clock down to 4 then they realize they should jack up a shot...it happend multiple times
     
    #11 Rocketsfan86, Apr 25, 2009
  12. janpwnz

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    That might have to do with the heights of Aaron Brooks. Just because Yao's open doesn't mean Brooks have the right angle to pass without getting it pokes away by Blake.
     
    #12 janpwnz, Apr 25, 2009
  13. legacygt777

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    great post...how about u start the prayer? :eek:
     
    #13 legacygt777, Apr 25, 2009
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    Although we have rarely seen any passing being done by Von Wafer, I think he can pass the ball to rolling Yao as TMac used to do on PnR. Brooks is not tall enough to make proper pass to Yao on PnR. I would really like to see Von attempt this play at least once and see how it goes.
     
    #14 csnerd84, Apr 25, 2009
  15. dexkk

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    I agree Tmac would make Yao more effective. None of our guards are good at creating for others. When Adelman's system doesn't go according to plan, you always see Artest dribbling on the perimeter or Wafer driving against 3 defenders.

    Even Brooks and Lowry (don't get me wrong, they're impressed me plenty) aren't really great playmakers.

    Most people argue that in Adelman's system, there's no need for playmakers like Mcgrady but it's always a plus to have one.
     
    #15 dexkk, Apr 25, 2009
  16. br0ken_shad0w

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    Pretty much.
     
    #16 br0ken_shad0w, Apr 25, 2009
  17. BaiHua

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    ROFL :D agree with OP though
     
    #17 BaiHua, Apr 25, 2009
  18. J.Will.Xu

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    Yao needs to demand the ball and put more pressure on the defenders behind him or in front.It's instant chance to give him the ball,Aaron hesitated to feed him the ball and the chance just slipped away.

    I think it's pretty good for Scola to pick up what Yao supposed to do.and that helps a lot on both end of the floor.If Scola keep knocking down shots,they only ought to pay attention to him and Yao would be easier to get the ball and take shots.
     
    #18 J.Will.Xu, Apr 25, 2009
  19. #1YAODADDY

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    I think they should try a wafer and yao pnr. wafer is quick and good enough to take it to the hole or pass to yao when he roles to the basket since he is tall, and he can shoot the open shot if the center doesnt come out and cover him. wat you guys think
     
    #19 #1YAODADDY, Apr 25, 2009
  20. oakton

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    is it possible to pass the ball to Yao up high up above his head? At the moment players don't even attempt to pass the ball to him at all.
     
    #20 oakton, Apr 25, 2009
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