VOR, if you are moving furniture, ouch. I swear I have the oldest, bulkiest furniture, and when I had to move(twice in one year), I realized just how taxing moving can be. Worst back pain of my life Anyway, this is a touchy thing, but interesting to talk about. I think there should be SOME kind of draft each year, rookie or common, to make the league interesting and facilitate trades. The only way old players should retire is if there is a rookie draft every year so the youngblood can replace the geezers exit. And if there is a rookie draft every year it should resemble the NBA draft. Garnett, Francis, Carter impact type players are rare but attainable with higher picks. Duncan's and Shaq's, even more rare. There would be Busts. and Gems. And few 2nd rounders end up being as good as Ceballos. One more thing, it's kind of minor, but... if there is a rookie draft every year, the sim will get kind of geeky with the unknown players. Ex... "Dude, no way is Kobe Smith worth Reggie Jordan and a first round pick!" ------------------ snap crackle pop
It would be cool to have a draft of ourselves in the sim. AS a rookie draft of next season. Can you imagine what "Nomar" would get in a trade? And in future drafts, we could create like football players, and baseball players,and past greats. Like man Randy Moss in our sim, heck yeah!!! ------------------ The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?
Yes I can I will trade you Nomar for 500 lbs. of used Jock Straps. But hey he can play PG,SG,SF,PF,C and is avg. 57 ppg. ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
Sam cassel, yes I know about fre agency, but im sure I could have gotten Kukoc and Fortson to re-sign in the off season. theyboth just won championship, they would want to make a run for another. however based on the rules, there was NO way that I could re-sigh my free agents. hell not even re-negotiate. so I was guarenteed to loose them, and guarenteed to pick up 2 seriously lower value players. and worse than that is that I will aloso have crappy picks in the rooke draft. I dont mind sharing the wealth in an expantion draft. the dew guys do deserve the right to take some of our new players. but Human controlled GMs who sucked at drafting last year shouldnt have gotten the opportunity to pick apart my team to make up for their poor decisions. and for their suckiness, they also get to stick me with those idiots they wasted picks on last time around. I would have happily lost kukoc and fortson to the pacers, knicks, clipps, or any of the expansios teams, but it is downright insulting to have to give hi to a team just because their GM sucks. PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
You didn't necesarily have to get worse players. There were several young, high-cieling players left that were available at your pick(Johnson, Bender, Dooling - etc.) Each one of those players is putting up excellent numbers, and each one of them was drafted after you drafted Dale Davis(Who's of similar caliber as Fortson, just older). ------------------ Charles Barkely on the Raptors defeating the Knicks in Round 1 :"I think it was the Lord. The Lord was with the Raptors. You know the Knicks like to talk so much about religion, but I think the Lord was a Raptor fan."
Cat, When Live 2002 comes out, will you somehow switch over to that game, or stay with this one for a little while? If we could do this we would get some real rookies once a year, and partially avoid the Kobe Smith for Reggie Jordan thing( ) ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
------------- I know I said I had no opinion, but I can't help but throw in ideas. I don't really care what we do with the draft, I'm just throwing out ideas that I don't necessarily think are good or bad. Maybe instead of making each team give up their starters, we could work out a compensation for not giving up a starter. Like instead of giving up a starter, the team instead of gives up an IR/scrub player PLUS their common draft pick. Let's say you're nomar and you only have one draft pick, but you don't want to give up Peterson. He could instead throw in Abdul-Rauf or whatever and his only draft pick and he could keep Peterson. He would still have to give up one more starter though because he only has one pick. This basically makes each GM choose between their starting 5 or their depth. I know the anti-draft people won't be happy until there is no draft, but I think this is a fair compromise. The teams that would choose to give up a scrub couldn't take back the scrub though, those players can be put on the non-gm teams to even out those teams as well. This is just a suggestion though, I really don't care to hear "THAT IDEA BLOWS MAN, I'D RATHER GIVE UP MY LEFT NUT THEN DO THAT!!!!". I still think it might be a fair compromise. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 17, 2001).]
My scouts are informing of a new superstar in the making coming of Nigeria, Hakeem Ostertag. ------------------
I don't know Anfernee Mashburn has more potential. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams and Lisa Malosky fan club. atheistalliance.org
BGM, if EVERYONE chose to give up a scrub and the pick instead of two starters, then there would be nothing left to pick for the common draft, meaning that giving up those picks was meaningless. I'll go back to waiting for my new superstar, Allan Allen. ------------------ We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go fishing. But we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come back with some w**** he picked up in town.
If they chose to give up both of their picks, they'd be giving up 2 players and the 2 picks. Each team has around 12-15 players, if the GM's decided to just give up scrubs for a couple drafts in a row, their bench would take a hit. I think you need a bench in order to win in this game. It was just an idea, it's probably a stupid idea, I already know who wouldn't be in favor it, Mr. 7 Man team, hehe. So far there seems to be 2 sides, we need to compromise somewhere in order for all of the GM's to be happy with how the league's set up. I guess everyone would choose the scrub+pick route over the starter route. We need ideas though... If a common draft is bad because it's not like the real NBA, then how can we include free agency to make this sim more realistic? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 17, 2001).]
Well, we could do something crazy and actually implement free agency, and do away with the common draft. Using real NBA caps and current salaries & contracts. If a player's contract expires he goes up for auction, and plays for the highest bidder (since it would be hard to include the other factors). Bird rights, mid-level exception, etc. Original team wins in case of a tie (because they can pay him more). Might be too difficult to implement, but just an idea. It would add realism and get rid of the need to arbitrarily lose 2 starters every year. My new favorite name for a rookie is Olden Young. ------------------ We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go fishing. But we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come back with some w**** he picked up in town.
That sounds like something Heath would want to try... Seems really hard to do, but if it's possible, it's not a bad idea. ------------------
Olden Young that is great... I think I would draft Dickie Rodman or Mahmoud Abdul-Nowitzki or ZHiZhi Przybilla or Wesley Wesley and Mugsey Bender ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
Problem is I have signed most of my guys to 12 year contracts (we had no CBA) so there will be coming no FA's out of Philly for quite some time. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage - Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
Ive come to a simular conclusion on mooving. notice the mooo I wouldnt mind it so much, but it is physically demanding. I hurt!! also it is stressfull. sleeping tends to be uncomfortable (lack of bed?) as well as unfulfilling(stress on mind) on top of that I have still been working the whole time. there is deffinately nothiung fun about getting up at 620 every morning, run off to work. come home looking forward to rest, and social contact, than WAMB time to pack more, and cary heavy stuff. fit in a little ME time (read:masturbation ) and back to sleep, or should I say tossing and turning. I am currently in the between moves period, but the 2nd move has a longer timeframe on it. slowly moving is probably worse that the 2 daypanic push. lunch is oficcially over PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
I don't think anyone has an issue with the rookie draft. Maybe 2 of your top 7 or 8 players could be a fair compromise for everyone... I really don't like the idea of changing the rules to the next draft since I set up my roster and did my trades specifically for the rules in the common draft to include 2 starters from every team. If the majority wanted to change the common draft format for the next draft, I won't be happy, but I'd accept it. I think 2 of your top 7 or 8 guys would be the best way to handle the common draft in the future. ------------------
well davis is 3 rebounds and a few pointsd worse that Fortson, and yes much older. I didnt concider him a huge downgrade. he is however a downgrade. Kukoc was probably the best player available in the draft however. dude averaged 15/5/5. on a deep deep team. as far as picking up youth with potential... its a sim, potential is not that relative. its all about statistics. hell i could have traded my picks for future pcks too, but it still wont help my team. if you read the paragraph I gace BGM for the website you will see that mine is a team of the present, not the future. I need quality now. there is no way the league champs should be re-building for the future. i also dont think any of those guys were even as potentially good as the guys I got. Also remember that I wasnt st the draft, so it was all done off a list I submitted. later PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
BGM, just so you know I am not completely anti draft. I am almost totally anti "common draft" but verry pro "rookie draft" I do think a form of common draft that we all can agree on for next season should be devised. I would say something like 1 starter and any 2 bench players, or all 3 of your top (mpg) bench players still probably not fair, but just something to throw around. back to work soon ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
