Once again, BGM, we are on opposite sides. I am not sure why this happens, but just increasing some players numbers is stupid. Hey, while we're at it, let's just create five superstars, ten above average players, and five more average players a year. Then we can have a another draft to distribute those players. But let's not stop there. No. Let's give the worse teams in the league a chance to create their very own superstar player. And let's not forget the new GMs in the league, hey, we can let them create two superstars. We would not want to leave them behind. Next we can monitor the game. If a superstar is not playing to superstar stature, hey, we can up his ratings. We certainly would not want a player of his caliber to have an off year. Come to think about, yeah, COUNT ME IN! ------------------ I am an invisible man. [This message has been edited by kbm (edited May 15, 2001).]
kbm, My ideas are just suggestions to make this league more fun for everyone, I don't even believe in some of my ideas, I just throw them out there to see what people think. VOR made the suggestion, Heath didn't know how it would work, and I just thought of a way to get it to work, but yes, single me out for the "stupid" idea that so far at least 3 people like. ------------------ You must always give the Dream back his change! [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 15, 2001).]
The only reason I single you out is that it seems to me that no matter which side I am on your on the other side. And as soon as I post it seems like you post the counter. I am well aware others started this idea, but it seems your post are mostly directed toward me. I could be wrong. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Ohhh, I actually had Heath's post in mind when I replied. I thought I'd use the "toy with" phrase since he used it, but then I see he used the phrase in response to you using it. BTW, I am starting to lean towards being okay with not needing a common draft, so I'm not always against your cause, hehe. ------------------ You must always give the Dream back his change!
I'll weigh in a little bit. I think the rookies should be kinda decent. Not Shaqs or anything, but not just bench fodder. But not EVERY single rookie Also, players should NOT have to retire(esp at 40), esp if the rookie draft is so sporadic. Then we'll run out of players, not soon, but eventually. 1 more thing. I understand the desire to abandon the common draft. THe only thing that dissappoints me is after that there will be much fewer trades, which is the funnest part for me, but oh well. ------------------ snap crackle pop
That is my concern also. Remove the draft, and you will take away a good part of the trades too. Just as an example... wait a min.... ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage - Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
9 of 11 official trades this season has included atleast a draft pick. Draftpicks also seems to be a big part ofmost of tradetalks in the trade-thread. I do not say all trades will disappear if we remove the draft, but they will be much scarcer (sp?). I agree in what Cat said about lessening the effect of the draft as time goes by, where you can protect your top 7-8 in a few seasons, and you only give up 1 player. But I hope it will never go completly away, unless we get a rookie draft to compensate. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Homepage - Rosters & Stats - Official Trades
The rookie draft is very important. In my mind, it is the only way to get rid of the common draft completely. We need to set up some way to have a rookie draft every year. Then I think the influx of new players will eventually allow the bad teams to get better and the good teams worse. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Well I think there seems to be some cockiness in this thread. Don't want to mention names(VOR, BGM) Draft must stay up. Only way the bad teams get better, because there is no free agency, and rookies won't help as much as needed. But once we get to a certain point, I think the players you give up should consist of one starter, and one bench player. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Well I think there seems to be some cockiness in this thread. Don't want to mention names(VOR, BGM) Draft must stay up. Only way the bad teams get better, because there is no free agency, and rookies won't help as much as needed. But once we get to a certain point, I think the players you give up should consist of one starter, and one bench player. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Here are a few ideas I have, although they aren't directly about the sim league they could be used during the offseasons. Street games-3 on 3 street tournament based upon sim league rosters. I'd be willing to run this. Summer League-Build squads of lesser known talent and compete for summer champ. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams and Lisa Malosky fan club. atheistalliance.org [This message has been edited by DEANBCURTIS (edited May 15, 2001).]
So basically we're talking about a tournament involving the hawks, clippers and bulls? ------------------ You must always give the Dream back his change! [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 15, 2001).]
Yeah BGM, thats what I want to hear. The only other worth talkin smack. I have made legit suggestions. I have the most to loose. I want career ending injuries, I want strong rookies for you crappy GM, and I want ramdom acts of improvement. because otherwise its like dong logorythims, or something hell id we wanted everyone to have completely equal teams we could just recreate every player out there. however there are players like bonzi wells that get hot, and have break out years. they make great teams better, and thats that. there also teams like the nets. they suck, and they have their verry fewe stars get injured. life sucks like that, but it happens. look at the heat. they lost their SUPERSTAR(potential carreer ending ailment) and they were suposed to dominate this year. instead they got swept. and swept by a team that is supposed to suck I want something interesting to happen. otherwise all I ahve to look forward to is my team growing old, and leaving me for freeagency. that would be ok, but I am guarenteed to pick up WORSE players. at least in the rookie draft I dont mind you guys getting better. you are not taking my players. you are just picking up new ones ok im off my soap box, and off my lunch break. PEACE, and cat please make some changes to this league. I dont want to loose intrest in it. I do want to continue playing, and whoopin on BGM ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
I can definitely go along with the 20%increase thing for breakout players. I also can agree to the retire at 40 thing. If we keep simming at the rate we are going then we will have some players at 50 years old(in sim years) before they retire in real life. But i still think there needs to be some compromise in regards to the general draft. I agree that it is not fair for youto give up a 15/7 player and only be able to draft a 10/4 guy. I also think it is unfair for teams like Chicago and Atlanta that had any semblance of a decent player drafted from their team and not being able to get some type of help to become competitive. If it comes down to making the rookie draft more meaningful that is fine with me. OR if it takes something like making teams in general draft be able to drop 2 guys from say there top 7. I gaurauntee that some of the guys you have at #7 are better than most of the starters on the scrub teams. another way to do this could be make some rookies and put them on non GM teams. we could let them play a season or 2 this way they could get some experience and make them better and it would give the general draft more depth. That would make it easier for you to find some replacements for guys you have to give up. You would still have some quality players to pick from and not just scrubs that the crappy teams dropped.My team is in the middle of the pack so I am really not on either end of the argument. I just feel that we don't need to get rid of the draft but it needs to be tweaked to make it more fairer to everyone, including the good teams. I do like your other ideas save maybe the career ending injury thing. If there was some sort of compensation with it (an extra pick depending on how good the player is) maybe I coud go along with it. CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
COOL!!! I was singled out a few times. I love making people irritated/flustered. here is the deal(in my arrogant eyes) THERE IS NO COMMON DRAFT IN THE NBA!!!! if you are interested in this being based on the real thing as one of you said, than you might want to drop the common(bull ****) draft. make the rookie draft 2 rounds (like it is in the real) and have a new rookie draft after every season. Crisco. your concern about the poor teams not getting better, thats whyi want the rookie draft to be more important. if you could draft a future garnett in the rookie with a top 5 pick, and Me with a 20something pick can only get a chris childs calibur payer, than you are improving over me. as far ast the trades go, there will now be 2 rookie picks out there to swap around every season, and they have more potentisl than an aging cedric ceballos in the 2nd round of the common draft. At least this waygood teams arnt getting stripped of talent with no recource. whatever. as far as the peeved off fella who is at odds with BGM, chill out. seems to me that someone missed his nap time. dont blow it out od porportion. id you have 10 random players have breakout seasons its not like you are making up superstars to fit the team. it should be during the season, and totally random. I think it would be funny if a guy like funderduke got jacked up, or if a guy on the verge of retiring gets a boos in his last year. hell it could be a rookie, but it would be totally randon, and fair. if you are worried about cat cheating you should quit the league. if he wanted he could have altered anything all last season. so pull the gerbil out, and begin to smile. see smile I hope i have now angered some mor bees during this lunch break. it is becoming quite theraputic. this move, camp in another houst, than move again within a month thing is killing me. word of advice. never pull a double move. PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
I think the common draft is what makes this league a whole lot more competitive and intriguing<sp?>. This ISNT the real NBA...we aren't trying to better our teams for more money or more fans it the seats, or anything else...so its not like we need to hoard the good players. ------------------ Who's ya daddy?
Maybe if we really want to get realistic we can add free agency, and have little animated bastards hold out for multimillion dollar contracts. And maybe we could have players have great seasons in a contract year only to see them dog it the rest of their careers . We need suspensions and Techs. We need players that refuse to go into a game because they won't get the last freakin shot(ok that would only be Pippen). We need stupid commentary from Danny Ainge and Bill Walton. Maybe we could get in studio comment from Peter Vescey(but everything he says has to be dead wrong). We need Charles to do a commentary on the website once a week(actually the best idea i have had IMO). We need towel throwing, fights between Miami and NY,.and 20% of our players smoking animated weed(thank you Charles Oakley). But most of all(I am starting to sound like Denis Leary) we need to get a friggin life. It is just a sim it is meant to be fun let's stop all the arguing and get on with the games. We can worry about all this tweaking when it comes time for that. Wow VOR your right this angry posting is kinda fun. I may have to try it more often BTW the gerbil comment was great. And I agree Cat would never cheat, so don't even consider it. CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
What about free agency? ------------------ We used to laugh at Grandpa when he'd head off and go fishing. But we wouldn't be laughing that evening when he'd come back with some w**** he picked up in town.
I officially have no opinion about any of these changes. It makes for fun reading though, the pull the gerbil out line made me laugh for a couple minutes. That's just VOR looking for shock value though. Do whatever you guys want, I'll still dominate... ------------------
