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So Far, Your 2003/3304 Houston Rockets are Unwatchable...Here's Why

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tranmerica34, Nov 13, 2003.

  1. Tranmerica34

    Tranmerica34 Member

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    Ok, after watching every single Rocket possession in this young season, I must vent. I had a feeling that as soon as the Rockets were met with any kind of competition or resistance for that matter, they would go back to their old ways and play the rag-tag, undisciplined, selfish, non-cerebral game that have defined them up to this point.

    The fact that they had won 5 of their 6 games up until tonight's loss the Mavs, not withstanding, the Rockets have played a cupcake schedule versus teams that are not only horrific, but were having off nights (A clueless Denver team on opening night, Nets sans K-mart, an identity-less Bulls, arguably the worst team in the league in Orlando, a winless Heat team).

    Yes, the Rockets defensive numbers (opponents FG% and points allowed both at #1) are good, but inflated. You could say the defense has been good, or you could say that the Rockets just played down to their competition. Rockets turnovers are still high, their rebounding, FT and FG% are still very average. Houston should be absolutely destroying these cupcakes! Nonetheless, their defense or rather their committment to defense is one of the very few bright spots thus far. As for the rest....

    Passing -

    Cat Mobley - When was the last time you saw Cat Mobley make a pass into Yao? Never. Honestly. I've watched every single possession this year, and not once has Cat made a pass into the post to Yao, that he's caught. He has made maybe 2 passes, both for turnovers. What the hell?! This is from a guy who once said he wanted to trade a shot at the #1 for Lamar Odom! Ok, ok, so he's shooting an ungodly number from 3 and he's been a great offensive spark. Big F...ing deal. This skill is a dime a dozen - See Ronald Murray.

    Steve - You're a point guard!!! That means give your big man the ball where he can operate and stop dribbling the god damn ball 17 times in the half court set. Also, give up the damn ball when you have numbers on the break. I'm Steve's biggest fan, but my god, he's gotta stop letting that ego destroy the Rockets.

    Pick and Roll - For God's sake, can someone in the Rockets coaching staff teach these guards how to pass to the picker in a pick and roll or pick and pop, especially when the BOTH defenders cover the dribbler? This has NOT happened yet this year! I want to rip my hair out everytime Yao rolls to the hoop and Cat isn't even looking in his direction and he's WIDE open. Just throw the damn ball in the air, Yao is 7'5" !!! And what happened to getting Yao looks on the baseline during pick and roll? So far, NADA.

    Rockets need to find more creative ways to get Yao the damn ball. I swear, they run the same 2 plays every single time down the court. 1. Pick and roll for drive and kick 2. Reluctantly throw it into Yao

    Mismatches -[U/]

    Yao - Yao is a mismatch for every single team in the league except one (Lakes, and Shaq). Give him the damn ball when where he can operate. Not when the shot clock is running down and not when he's 17 feet from the hoop with his back to the basket. Yao needs to do a much better job establishing position too, even if he doesn't get the ball. Against Miami, all 6 of his FTs were because Brian Grant or Udanis Haslem couldn't handle the big man while riding his hip and the Heat were in the penalty. What the hell is Ewing doing? Will someone show Yao a tape of Hakeem, Maurice Lucas, Adrian Dantley, Kevin Mchale or hell, show him 2 possessions when Amare Stoudamire's number is called. He establishes that position like his last meal depended on it.

    Boneheaded guard play -

    Someone PLEASE tell Cuttino, it's not effective to dribble the ball to where your teammate is standing. Pass the friggin ball.

    Someone PLEASE tell Steve that he's already turned the ball over 7 times this year, yes 7 times, because he dribbled it between his legs or some other unforced nonsense. That's 1 per game.

    Rebounding -

    Hey Yao, you're 7'5", get a damn rebound! It's inexcusable that you're not averaging over 10 boards a game. Make yourself big, fight through those block outs by Antawn Jamison, Fortson and Brian Grant. Pursue, throw an elbow, play big! I can't remember the last time Yao got a significant rebound or actually won a rebounding battle.

    So far, I really can't watch these guys. It's not that they don't have talent, they're dripping with talent. They just never use it. The guards never attack the rim when they have a mismatch on the perimeter, the never give the 2nd best center in the league the ball where he can be effective and they play selfish, idiotic basketball by dribbling too much.

    The big man doesn't establish position, rebound and doesn't play big on defense. Forget his 7 blocks against Miami - Only a couple were actually significant defending the cup. God, I miss the days of Hakeem - he was such an animal on both ends of the floor. He dripped aggressiveness that you knew you were getting his best each and everytime on offense and defense during the mid-90s.

    Watching these Rockets is like watching the smartest kid in school who happens to be your best friend go to a community college. It's a waste.

    The only saving grace so far is the play of Jimmy Jackson - this guy is the glue for the Rockets. Always plays tough D, fights for a critical board and guess what? He passes the damn ball!!! he's the only one I've seen who consistently makes plays for others and gets them the ball where they can score, particularly Yao.

    Next time you watch a game, look for these little things:

    1. Do the guards get Yao the ball where he can operate (does Cat ever pass Yao the ball?)

    2. How many rebounds in traffic (where he has to fight) does Yao actually get?

    3. How many idiotic, unforced turnovers do Cat and Steve make?

    4. How many aggressive (i.e. drop step, jump hooks, up and unders) moves does Yao make in the course of a game?

    Until these beloved Rockets actually actually not only maximize these talents, but not waste them with wasted motion, they're very difficult to watch.
     
  2. farhan007

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    if they are that difficult to watch, then the 5 teams they beat must of came from hell!
     
  3. RiceDaddy7

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    You bring up some good points.

    In defending Steve and Cuttino, however, Yao isn't demanding the ball. I think if Hakeem, in his prime, were in this Rockets lineup today, he would definately be asking for the ball. In basketball, if you don't demand the ball, the other players will assume you don't want it. That is one thing Yao's got to improve on. The Steve-Cuttino ballhog thing is really overrated...I feel they want to play as a team, that they are willing, but perhaps when it's in the arena, and the game gets to you and your teammates aren't doing it, you tend to want to do thing by yourself. So it's not selfishness you're seeing...it's a misplaced desire to win. In time, Van Gundy will get them to control it.

    I agree with the pick and roll comment. Yao and Steve could do the ol' Stock-Karl thing and get easy points that way.

    As for getting Yao the ball, Yao isn't doing a good job setting position. Ewing needs to teach him this. Again, I do see the Rockets trying to get Yao the ball, but the defenders usually push him and it makes it difficult to give a clean pass to him.

    Good comment on Jim Jackson. I feel the same way. I can say the same about Cato. For all the criticism Cato gets, sometimes he seems to be the smartest player out there in terms of knowing what to do and reacting.

    Lastly, about the Rockets being difficult to watch. Actually, they're very nice to watch from a defensive standpoint. Yao blocking 7 shots in the Orlando game was pretty :)
     
  4. dfoolz

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    No refrence to Moochie Norris the worst damn player in the whole league!!
     
  5. nyquil82

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    keep those, "im pissed off about the loss tonight so im going to let loose with all the ammunition ive been keeping from last year and say the team sucks until we win again where i will then pull a 180 and say we will beat the lakers" threads going. It was a loss over a better team, i wouldnt go so far as to turn the mistakes from one game into a prediction for the entire season, where were you when we were winning?
     
  6. WNBA

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    Yeah, they are a twosome team. Of all the Rockets, only the couple demanding the ball. They are actually perfect doing that.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    then don't watch.

    My god, the meltdowns that happen around here each time that people realize we are not going to go 81-1 or 82-0.....:rolleyes:
     
  8. Tranmerica34

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    Actually, like I said, I felt this way pretty much right after the New Jersey game, when the Rockets (especially Steve) was playing like a high school team in the 2nd quarter.

    Seemingly turning the ball over countless times (5 in a row) against a defense that had no post defender or shotblocker (no Zo, no Kmart).

    This isn't really a reactionary post to tonight's loss. As I said, these cupcake wins not-withstanding.

    C'mon, Rocket fans, you can't be this satisfied with these Rockets after years and years of torture and then the Hakeem-led Rockets opening up the heavens for 2 glorious years...

    And to RiceDaddy77, you're right, Yao needs to call for the ball and the Cat/Steve selfishness is overhyped. I guess I got my wish when JVG was made coach.

    As for Moochie, when he's in there, he's actually kept the flow of the game going, and you have to give the guy credit for dropping 35 pounds and cutting that ridiculous hair. :)
     
  9. AMS

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    Im sure Amaechi takes offense to that comment
     
  10. DrNuegebauer

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    Were the haircutting and the weightloss two parts of the one event :)

    As far as getting the ball to Ming - I would think that deeper post position might make a difference, along with a desire to catch the ball when they (esp Mobley) throw it to him!

    I agree that Yao has to hit the boards a LOT harder - what's with a guy who's well over 7' and averages under 9 boards a game?? Gheorghe Muresan avergaed 10 boards a game... come on Yao!
     
  11. codell

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    Does anyone remember the 1982-1983 Houston Rockets???

    Now THAT team was unwatchable. :)

    If this year's team went 13-69, then Clutch would have to check himself into a funny farm.
     
  12. GRAYsquirrel

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    I agree with most of your previous points. Just too exasperated to elaborate. As for the above points, just like to add:

    1) Watch to see if Yao is establishing good position......he should always be fighting for postion, rather than waiting on the wings or near the top of the key before he shifts into gear. And yeah, I'll definetly be watching for Cat passing the ball to Yao, cause although I never really paid attention to that, I can't for the life of me remember one time that he did.

    2) Again, Yao needs to establish good postiion for rebounds. It seems like he's always trying to go over the back of other players when fighting for a rebound. And he's got to have slipperiest hands of any big man ever. His hands are huge, why can't he hold on to the ball?!? For gods sake, get some chalk on the mans hands!!! Make him do hard labor and give him callouses!!! His hands are like at least 6 inches above everyone else, why can't he get a rebound in traffic!!?!? And he needs to use more lower body strength to get position and go for the boards. Needs to work on his vert......get him some strength shoes for the sake of mankind!

    3) Are these turnovers coming on the fast break, half-court, or are they due to careless fancy dribbling? Also, some of these TO's are coming from poor careless passing, I saw a lot of those tonight. Well, I'd rather have them from passing than over-dribbling/1on5, cause it shows that they're at least trying to move the ball. But sheet, it ain't advanced calculus.....keep the dribble-mania down to a minimum, and you'll probably keep TO's down.

    4) There is no argument that Yao isn't being agressive in the paint. Of course, this depends on his position (point 1). But for crying out loud, you're 7-6 300+ pounds! Fade aways are not neccessary. Attack the basket. I think he's too afraid of getting a foul. He might benefit from learning a few more moves and utilizing the shanghai shake more, instead of his usual fade away or spin around and akwardly dribble the baseline with his head down looking at the floor. Some up and unders might be good. A few power hops to split the defenders would be nice too.


    Damn. I wasn't going to elaborate. But frustration has its way of getting you to vent.
     
  13. GRAYsquirrel

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    Oh yeah, and I forgot to add to point 1)

    DEMAND THE DAMN BALL YAO!!! STOP PUSSYFOOTING!!! IF YOU DON'T WANT, YOU WON'T GET IT!!!


    .......could someone please post this (and other relevant/useful/insightful posts) on Yao's website?!?
     
  14. ZRB

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    Amazing what losing to a good team on their home court will do...
     
  15. ckfol

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    Tran, great post and my thoughts exactly. The Rockets are going to win alot of games but lose in the first round without a quality Point man. You comments about Mobley not passing is so true, Yao in a pick 'n roll will always be open. Mobley knows how to run a picknroll, he and Cato are great together. In the second quarter, Mobley even try to pass to Braggs in a picknroll on the left baseline, unfortunately Braggs didn't roll to the basket. I don't know what Mobley's problems is *^%^%$$. Ehhhhhhh. The scary thing is despite such a bad performance by the Rocket team, they could of won this game if they had converted all those 2-1 breaks in the third quarter. Stevie doesn't know how to run a break. This is a talented team lacking one obvious piece, an unselfish veteran point guard.
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    I didn't read any of the posts in this thread. After a depressing (but hardly surprising) loss, the last thing I want to do is read the ninety new threads about how our overacheiving team sucks. Did anyone here actually think we were already BETTER than the Mavericks? Cause if so, they must be new to NBA basketball. Even if we've only been beating teams we're supposed to beat, that's a hell of a lot more than we've been doing over the last few years. We're overacheiving and I'm damn happy about it.

    But I'm not here to talk about that. I'm just here to respond to the title of the thread.

    You, my friend, have reached a new level in negativity -- a hell of a feat on this board lately. According to your premise, the Rockets are so bad that they will be unwatchable for 1,301 years. That's just over the line.
     
  17. Darrinlane

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    It is very obvious why the 3304 Houston Rockets are unwatchable.....I am not 1330 years old!
     
  18. Uprising

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    LMAO! I was about to post about that. I was checking to make sure noone else did. :D
     
  19. Batman Jones

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    When Tweak's the calm voice of reason in the GARM, you just know things have changed.
     
  20. reptilexcq

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    People blaming Yao for not getting rebounds. WHen you watch the game you have to understand he's out there trying to block shots and alter shots too...so he's almost always out of position. That's one reason he didn't get much rebounding.
     

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