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Single Season Baseball Records That May Never Be Broken

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  1. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Triples - Owen Wilson, 1912 Pirates 36
    RBIs - Hack Wilson, 1930 Cubs 190
    Batting Average - Rogers Hornsby, 1924 Cardinals .424
    Consecutive Games Hitting Safely - Joe DiMaggio, 1941 Yankees 56
    Wins - Jack Chesbro, 1904 Yankees 41
    ERA - Dutch Leonard, 1914 Red Sox 1.00 or use
    Bob Gibson, 1968 Cardinals 1.12
    Shutouts - Grover Alexander, 1916 Phillies 16

    A lot of baseball books for some reason feel that ERA is the only pitching category that needed to have a separate record for the modern era because of the change in the mound.
     
    #1 Manny Ramirez, Sep 7, 2001
  2. Behad

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    If that is the case (re: ERA), then even Gibson's record should have an asteric. The mound was lowered after 1968 (also known as "The Year of the Pitcher").
     
    #2 Behad, Sep 7, 2001
  3. Dr of Dunk

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    If pitching needs asterisks pre-1968, what about batting post-1968? :)

    Hell, give 'em all asterisks so none of 'em feel left out.
     
    #3 Dr of Dunk, Sep 7, 2001
  4. Manny Ramirez

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    Behad, I believe if I can remember my baseball history correctly, the mound was lowered before the '68 season and it has been lowered at least once since then. However, when it was lowered in the late '60's, it was a drastic change. Maybe someone here can give definitive proof about this, because I can't say for sure although I believe this is the case.

    The first time that I saw a distinction between Leonard's ERA and Gibson's ERA was on a 1979 Topps Baseball Card that showed both of them as it was a part of their all-time recordholders card series. Also, the old baseball handbooks edited by Zander Hollander always had a section at the back that showed the all-time single season records, and it always listed Leonard and Gibson together.

    Either way, 1.12 is going to be hard to ever top.
     
    #4 Manny Ramirez, Sep 7, 2001
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    Rogers Hornsby was my manager, and he called me a talking pile of pigsh-t! And that was when my parents drove all the way down from Michigan to see me play the game! And did I cry? NO! NO! And do you know why?
     
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  6. Manny Ramirez

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    I agree on home runs because it used to be that hitting 50 homers was a very hard thing to do. Now, it seems like it's no big deal. The amazing thing is that the hitting records that I listed were all set before World War II .

    Yes, home runs have exploded, but there are a lot of hitting/batting records that so far have stood for a very long time.
     
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  7. Manny Ramirez

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    Man, you're old!!;)
     
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  8. Behad

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    Manny, here's an exceprt from an article about baseball statistics:


    It just so happens that Fisher had the good fortune to pitch during the Year of the Pitcher, 1968, in an era before the lowered pitching mound, the shrunken strike zone, the designated hitter, and the virtual elimination of the batter's box.


    I'm looking for more definitive proof.
     
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    More proof the mound was not lowered until 1969:


    Denny McLain won 31 games and Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in a weird 1968. Gibson's effort is a record, and no one has won 30 games since McLain. Hitters had it so tough that year that Carl Yastrzemski won the American League batting title with a .301 average. Baseball lowered the pitching mound the next season.


    Story
     
    #9 Behad, Sep 7, 2001
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    After the 1968 season, in which 1-0 pitchers' duels became the norm, baseball lowered the mound to shake pitcher's dominance on the game.

    Story



    You want more?
     
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    Tom Hanks: "There's no crying in baseball!!"
     
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    Because there's no crying in baseball!

    By the way, you're still not hitting the cutoff man. That is something I would like for you to work on for next season.
     
    #12 deepellumrocket, Sep 7, 2001
  13. Manny Ramirez

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    Nah, Behad, that will do. Thanks for finding this. I got it backwards in that the mound was lowered because of Gibson's ERA not the other way around. My bad, dog. It's like you're some kind of pit bull ready to pounce at any moment.

    ;)


    I would still like to know why Gibson is listed along with Dutch Leonard in the ERA record? It's not like they had lowered the mound and then Gibson had a 1.12 ERA. It's like you pointed out, it was only after Gibson's season did they lower the mound. Also, for that matter, why don't they have separately a record for lowest ERA since 1969?
     
    #13 Manny Ramirez, Sep 7, 2001
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    That was my original question in this thread! :rolleyes: :D :D
     
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    Leonard has the American League record, Gibson has the NL record.




    I know my baseball stats!
     
    #15 Behad, Sep 7, 2001
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    True..but for some reason, I thought that I had seen these 2 records listed together as the all-time record. However, I may be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time nor the last time! :D
     
    #16 Manny Ramirez, Sep 7, 2001
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    Yea, I know, but you got to remember that I had this backwards until you straightened me out!!:D
     
    #17 Manny Ramirez, Sep 7, 2001
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