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Since when does the military conduct Affairs of State?

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  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    And since when is the military concerned with tying progress in Iraq to Energy Policy?!?!?!?

    :eek:

    U.S. commander warns Iraqi of the need for progress

    By Michael R. Gordon
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007

    BAGHDAD: Swelling opposition in Congress is cited

    The top U.S. military commander for the Middle East warned the prime minister of Iraq in a closed-door conversation that Baghdad must make tangible political progress by next month to counter the growing tide of opposition to the war in Congress.

    In a Sunday afternoon discussion that mixed gentle coaxing with a sober appraisal of politics in Baghdad and Washington, the commander, Admiral William Fallon, told Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki that the Iraqi government should aim to complete a law on the division of oil proceeds by next month.

    The Shiite dominated-government, Fallon added in the meeting, has consolidated power and should have the confidence to reach out to its opponents.

    "You have the power," Fallon said. "You should take the initiative."

    The admiral's appeal, which was made in the presence of Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, a senior political adviser to the command, and this reporter, elicited an assurance from Maliki that he hoped to make some progress over the coming weeks. But he also offered a lengthy account of all the tribulations facing the Iraqi government, including tenuous security, distrustful neighboring Sunni states, and a complex legal agenda.

    "There are lots of difficulties that are not well understood from outside," Maliki said. "Still, we're trying hard."

    Fallon, who is in charge of the U.S. Central Command, used a whirlwind trip to Iraq to reinforce Washington's public and private message that political progress was lagging behind. It is a message that has been delivered by several other U.S. officials, but the deadlines have often been allowed to slip. This reporter, who is accompanying Fallon on his trip to Iraq, was allowed into the meeting. It was only at the end of the meeting that U.S. officials agreed that it could be on the record.

    At times, the two sides appeared to be operating on two different clocks. While Fallon emphasized the urgency of demonstrating results, Maliki cast the political process as a long journey from dictatorship to democracy. "The end result will be marked in history," said Maliki, who was flanked by Mowaffak al-Rubaie, his national security adviser, and two other aides.

    When President George W. Bush decided in January to increase U.S. troop levels in Iraq, the purpose was not to obtain a military victory but to improve security so the Iraqi leaders could carry out a program of political reconciliation. But now that the troops are in place, the Iraqis have little to show by way of political progress.

    In some ways, this summer does not seem like an auspicious period for a political breakthrough. Some Maliki aides fear that Sunni members of the government are conspiring against them with the support of Sunni Arab states. Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, an important Shiite group, is being treated for lung cancer. Kurdish leaders seem preoccupied by Turkish threats to intervene militarily in northern Iraq.

    Iraqis are aware that the Bush administration has promised to report to Congress in September on what its new Iraq strategy has accomplished. Indeed, the Bush administration is obliged by congressional legislation to issue an interim report in July on Iraq developments.

    In the meeting, Fallon focused on Iraq's oil law, assuming it was closest to completion. "Is it reasonable to expect it to be completed in July?" he asked. "We have to show some progress in July for the upcoming report."

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  2. weslinder

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    I'd guess since we started fighting wars that were purely political in nature back in the 50's. But I don't know.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    The guy was speaking with approval from the Bush-ites. It's not a big deal. It's just another sign the Bush-ites realize the end game is starting and they want the sorry, pathetic and worthless Iraqi government to prepare for it. For those who want a troop reduction or pullout, this should hearten you. It's a comin' soon.
     
  4. mc mark

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    Heard a new slogan today

    "Republican's Freedom for Oil program...."

    pretty good...
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Oil Division...how hard can it be....let's see now....

    Exxon Mobil gets 20%
    Chevron gets 20%
    Conoco Phillips gets 20%
    Shell gets 20%
    BP gets 20%

    DONE! Can we please bring the troops home now??
     
  7. mc mark

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    Great! Look how that turned out.

    :(
     
  8. Deckard

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    Et tu, Exxon?



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  9. tigermission1

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    "since when does the military conduct affairs of state?"

    Is that a serious question?
     
  10. mc mark

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    Yes Sir.
     
  11. tigermission1

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    For more than a century, then...
     
  12. HayesStreet

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    For our entire existence...
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    World hegemon for 350 years, top tier world power for over 1000 in one form or another, I think that would be pretty good for America.
     
  14. mc mark

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    I guess I'm just not used to the idea of the Military conducting what one would consider diplomatic affairs (or advocating energy policy to a foreign country). It seems inappropriate to me.

    Oh well
     
  15. Deckard

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    Well, off and on. Does Perry's little trip to Japan to open the country to US trade ring a bell with anyone? MacArthur in post-war Japan? Lots and lots of examples. Normally, not going off half-cocked, but with the intructions (often incredibly vague) and blessing (with fingers crossed) of the State Department and the President.



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  16. HayesStreet

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    How about Lewis and Clark?
     
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    How about Martin and Lewis?



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  18. madmonkey37

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    Political Reconciliation with the Sunnis is one of the many things that need to happen in order for the counter-insurgency operations to be successfully, or so they say. Considering its the military thats in charge of most of that, its only logical for the military to push for something that will help them achieve their goals.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    or Rowan and Martin?
     

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