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*Sigh* Great Job Working on that Peace Process, Sharon...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Ottomaton, Oct 19, 2001.

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  1. Ottomaton

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    From the London Times.

    Click me for full story...

    Israel has constantly been the one fufilling their commitments to the peace process while the Palestinians did whatever they could to avoid it. Lately, however, Arafat has been actualy making more of a legitimate effort and I believe that Sharon has combined his fear with the recent messages from the west in favor of support of a Palestinian state, and he's now scared.

    Sharon, it seems, has not given up the philosophy held in his youth. It seems that while most Israelis were debating whether or not it would be in Israel's best national intrests to anex or seek to return the Captured Territories, Sharon has consistantly held to a philosophy that Arab/Israeli peace is impossible, and that the only way to achieve peace is to expand. Though it seemed that he'd moved away from that position it is obviously not the case. Click here for documentation. (This is an official US government document written in 1998 by the Library of Congress.)

    Perhaps Arafat felt that this would happen and that's why he was moving more towards compiance, or perhaps not. Arafat or his 'government' were not responsible for the terror acts. They were begining to actualy make progress. The proper course of actions was to press on to seek more complaince by the Palestinians on outstanding issues, and then press on.

    This move makes it clear to me that Sharon, in contrary to the wishes of the majority of the Israeli people, is not intrested in peace, no matter how small the cost, because he doesn't consider it to be realistic. This is dissapointing to me, the kind of raw bloodlust that I have come to expect from Syria and such. The majority of Israeli people are intrested in peace (though mos at a price that is not acceptable to Palestinians, but that's what the peace process is for), but Sharon is not.

    Sadly, the pendulum seems to have swung away from the Israelis who once clearly seemed to be the only ones intrested in working out a negotiated peace. I sincerely hope that Arafat truly has become intrested in a negotiated peace, and that Perez is quickly voted out of office, to be replaced with a man more like the late Yitzhak Rabin.
     
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  2. Cohen

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    ...and that Perez is quickly voted out of office, to be replaced with a man more like the late Yitzhak Rabin.

    What's the matter with Peres? He wants to negotiate; Sharon is the idiot with blinders. Time for him to go; they should have kept Barak.
     
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  3. Ottomaton

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    oops :eek:

    I intended to write Sharon, but you know, Shimon Perez and Ariel Sharon and it was too much. I've been hooked on phonics so long that I think I'm suffering from brain damage.:(
     
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  4. Cohen

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    Shimon Sharon? That's worse than 'shanna'. :)
     
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    I'm really starting to hate the fact that Sharon is in power in Israel. All he seems to ever do is remind us that Arafat is the most despicable person on the face of the planet while totally neglecting the blood on his hands. That's not the type of mindset that will lead to peace.
     
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  6. Timing

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    Sharon is just aching to start a full scale war. If they kill Arafat they may well have their war.
     
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  7. glynch

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    You know, that just like the great mass of Arabs are not terrorists but have at least some secret sympathy for some terrrorists, the same is true for Jews who silently support or harbor guys like Sharon.

    Time for Jews to stand up and root out the secret sympathy in their hearts and stop supporting Sharon.
     
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  8. glynch

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    Hopefully GWB has the stones to tell Sharon to cool it. Perhaps with the 911 incident and the need for a mid east coalition Bush will. I doubt it.

    Sharon as a tough guy is always convinced that he can bully the US and its politicians. So far the record proves him right.

    Unfortunately any calm outsider could have predicted this when the Israelis elected Sharon. It was completely irrational to think that Sharon could accomplish anything with the Palestininians by bullying and force alone. As could have been suspected the policy of selective assasssinaion has sprialled out of control.

    If Sharon starts a major war I think it is time for an economic boycott of Israel. Too much is at stake for America and perhpas the whole world to be led around by the nose by this punk.

    Sharon got it right in one way. It is time not to be a Neville Chamberlain. It is time to face down Sharon
     
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  9. Major

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    from CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/10/18/mideast.jenin/index.html

    <I>Palestinian police said the Paradise Hotel and the Bethlehem Hotel were partially demolished by bulldozers and the owners of the establishments were arrested. The Intercontinental Hotel was taken over by the Israeli army, the officials said. </I>

    What need was there to destroy civilian buildings?
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    Time to cut off aid to Israel? These two are like brats being run by the most radical arms of both of their sects.

    The UN should take over here, as they clearly can not handle the situation in an intelligent manner.

    It would be atrocious to have this pissy little area turn into WW3.

    Israelies and Palastinians both need to stand down.

    DaDakota
     
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    Dakota, I agree both are at fault. I guess, despite criticism, I expect a little bit more out of Israel than the Palestininians who I see as less educated and sophisticated..

    We need the UN in there. Isael is the party blocking that one. The holy sites need to be put permanently under UN control.

    Maybe this is the time to allow the UN to grow up. The US paid up its back dues when they felt the UN could be of use on the terrorism issue after 9/11/01.
     
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  12. MadMax

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    glynch -- the bush administration has been telling Sharon to cool it for some time now.

    i'm not real interested in the un "growing up." i don't like the implications of that.
     
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    The ability to:

    * Know right from wrong
    * Be able to show empathy
    * Understand the value of compromise
    * Do difficult tasks with tact
    * Use other <i>soft</i> skills

    should not be linked to the scholastic education a person has (or has not) been given.



    Mango
     
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    if your kids are dying hungry you'd steal even though you know its morally wrong.
     
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    If you support the actions the US is taking against the Taliban and Al Queda, then you should also support the actions that Israel takes against Palestine liberation groups. President Bush has proposed eliminating all terrorists. Well the Palestinian extremists have been some of the most prolific terrorist in the world. The treatment any terrorist organization receives should be the same, be they in Afghanistan, Ireland, Israel, or right here in the United States.
     
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  16. MadMax

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    that's a fair point, hydra. particularly since the Palestinian leadership has said that ultimately they would want Hamas to have a place in the government of a Palestinian state.
     
    #16 MadMax, Oct 20, 2001
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