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Should We Go After Marcus Fizer?

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by DaneB, Mar 15, 2000.

  1. DaneB

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    He is a PF out of Iowa State and I heard that he averaged like 20 ppg and 10 rbg. He is also a great three point shooter. He may be an answer to our PF slot. What do ya guys think?
     
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    Definetely go after Marcus Fizer. The word is that he is undersized. To that I say BS!! This guy has game. I saw him play in the tournament and he is basically the only reason his team even has a chance of getting out of the Sweet16. Hes seriously underrated, but works hard, and has monster game. Never hurts to have those kinds of players on your team.

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  3. rocketsfan34

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    No.

    If you want to take an undersized PF, I would rather take my chances with Porter. Porter may not be as polished as Fizer, but his potential is much greater.

    Porter will take some time, but when he starts taking advantage of his massive hops and develop a consistent perimeter game, he will be dominating..

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  4. Ottomaton

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    Comparing Porter to Fizer is comparing apples to oranges. Fizer is an NBA 4, while Porter has to become a 3, or he won't be around long.

    I haven't seen more than 2 of Iowa State's games, but my concern with taking him is that he has the same essential problem as Kenny Thomas. If the Rockets take a 4, they need someone who will be able to effectively defend against the taller power forwards.

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  5. Smokey

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    I watched all 11 games of the Big XII tournament and I can say that Marcus Fizer is the best player in the conference. One word answer to your question: Yes

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    We already have our resident KT.

    please leave Fizer alone.

    unless Fizer is wayyyy better than Kt(don think so)

    then get Fize, trade KT.

    No, nevermind, just leave Fize alone.

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  7. RocketSiv

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    I wouldn't. His main move is a drop step. He is so much bigger than the average college player that he has no problem getting the points. Also I am tired of the undersized power forward. I am not saying that will cause his demise in the NBA I just want somebody who can guard the power forwards of the NBA today. Basically in the past few years we have had Barkley, Othella, and Kenny Thomas all of whom have had difficult times stopping opposing 4's. However we had the 7 foot Kevin Willis who has the mini arms and he had no problem giving Malone fits.

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    WAIT A SEC. He who has not seen Fizer play says negative or indifferent things about his game.

    Fizer is the real deal, big (not that tall though), STRONG, explosive, good array of post moves (much much more than the drop step) AND has good shooting range. Hell, he is shooting aroung mid 40% from the arc. Granted, he shoots only about 2 per game. He has dominated everyone he has played for the most part. I love this guy. He plays with emotion, passion, drive, and intensity! Something I have noticed that Terrence Morris lacks.

    I pray to see him in the pinstripes in H-Town next year.

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  9. Clutch

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    Didn't heypartner post earlier that a coach of Fizer's didn't believe he was as good as Kenny Thomas?

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  10. HOOP-T

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    Yeah Clutch, he did. I am not sure I agree, but it is a possibility. KT, though, had some rumors going on about him that he was lazy, tended to be out of shape at times, and stood a chance at being overweight or injury prone. I hear nothing of the sort about Fizer....actually, I hear the guy works hard. KT has proven the critics wrong since entering Rudy's system.

    Watch Fizer in the tourney. His game will do the talking for him....and me!
     
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    What is this thing about Fizer's coach saying that Kenny Thomas is better than Fizer himself?

    First a couple of things...

    1.)Just cause you are a good 3 point shoota in college doesn't mean anything because they NBA 3 point arc is a couple of feet behind the college 3 point arc. Seeing as how he only attempts 2 a game from about 18 feet doesn't give me that much confidence in his range.

    2.)This guy is just like Kenny Thomas, but he looks... stronger? I also like the fact that he's a hard worker.

    3.)Our FRONT LINE SUCKS. Actually, the small forward position is actually quite decent, but it is our big guys that suck. It is our backcourt that is doing all the scoring.
    Hakeem-gettin older game by game.
    Kenny-needs some more development.
    Rogers-hopefully Hakeem has helped him develop SOME sort of post up game
    Cato-still raw.

    Fizer has a good offensive game and I think he can help our backcourt out so they don't have to do all the scoring. That's the main reason why I think we should try to get him. We need offense in our big guys. With Fizer, and the development of Kenny Thomas(who is showin a lot of potential), and the added development of Cato(he has a decent 17 footer now), and hopefully with some development from Rogers, we'll have a pretty good group of big guyz.

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    After watching lsu, i would take swift over fizer. but, apparently, swift aint comin out.

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    Fizur is easily the best player in the BigXII. He makes Mihms look like Shawn Bradley. He can play against any defense. He's a good defensive player/great shot blocker also.

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    I think its the other way around...Our big guy's dream, cato, kenny, and rogers are decent and our small forwards that suck. No way a SF rotation of Walt/Bull is quite decent.

    Porter is the same height as Fizer but weighs less and is much quicker than Fizer. That's the only reason he's considered to be SF. His game is no different from Fizer.



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    I think its the other way around...Our big guy's dream, cato, kenny, and rogers are decent and our small forwards that suck. No way a SF rotation of Walt/Bull is quite decent.

    Actually, don't forget that Shandon also plays the small forward sometimes, as well as Rogers. I mean, think about it. Hakeem is just gonna get sorrier and sorrier, and right now, Cato, Kenny, and Rogers aren't even averaging more than 10 points a game each. <strong>And all Cato, and Rogers do is dunk and lay it in. </strong>Kenny Thomas is the only one who's shown versatility. Granted, I know Cato and Rog are gonna get better, but how much can they really improve in 1 offseason?

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    Who cares if Dream, Cato, Rogers, and Kenny avg like 10 pts and all they do is dunk. Are you trying to tell me a Walt/Bull rotation at SF is better than our big guys?

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    Guys Guys Guys, the rockets need a frontcourt makeover. Out of all the frontline players we have , 2 players I like and think they should stay are Kelvin Cato and Matt Bullard.



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    Alaskasnowman,
    I agree with most of what you stated, However, the point I was trying to make about his 3 pt. range was not that I wanted him to be out at the NBA arc jacking up threes. My point was that his percentage was good out there, and this means he has good range from 20 ft an in.

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    I agree with Francis3, no rhyme intended. We have no known commodity in the form of a first rate front-line player for years to come. No center, no power forward, no small forward (unless you move SA there), nada. Our best prospects for being adequate starters are KT and Cato. Further, between them we have all three front-line positions covered, so we just get the front court player most likley to star--whether that is Fizer, Porter, or someone else, and have the rest of the guys work around them. My personal hope is that Swift, Woods and Haywood come out and we get one of them or Fizer, as they seem to look like the greatist impact players to me. We absolutely do not turn away from drafting the best impact player front-court player because we may have already a young half-way decent player who best plays his position.


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  20. heypartner

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    No, I did not say the coach of Fizer said Thomas is better.

    I said a HS and college scout in Iowa who I've known for quite awhile believes Thomas is faster and possibly taller. His two points were: Thomas has better footwork for the NBA and Thomas never had a player like Tinsley to take some pressure off.

    Before you Fizer fans jump on me: I'm one too. I love Fizer. But, I'm very realistic about college stars not excelling for certain reasons in the NBA.

    My question: Is Fizer better than Thomas? Is Fizer better than Fortson? I'm a huge Fortson fan, too, and he clearly had a better college career than Fizer (2nd Team All-American Soph, 1st Team as Junior at 21.1pt/9.1rb). Plus, he was 4th leading NBA rebounder last year. You have to take Fortson over Fizer if you have any worries about Fizer's ability to score at not even 6'7". Fortson is an adequate leaper for his size.

    You can probably trade your #1 to Boston for Fortson and their #1. You would have to seriously consider that over taking Fizer.

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