Dan Fegan is an idiot. An early bird is exactly what Shandon should be making. Why should Shandon be earning more money than Mobley when Shandon isn't as essential to our team? The perfect salary would be around $4 million per year. ------------------ "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." -Dan Quayle
True- Fegan IS an Idiot...also (this is killin' me) just for the record The Jazz, despite what Shandon seems to think, did not make it to 2 NBA finals BECAUSE of him....as I recall he did have a couple old farts lendin' him a hand.Your true character comes out during the rough times, when your playing on a team that's not doing so well, so all this sh#t about "Well I'm used to playing in championships" is just idiotic! Shandon Step up or Shut Up! (quitten was also used to playin' in championships!) ------------------ C-son
If we sign Webber, he'll stay for the wink-wink. But I hope he doesn't count on too much wink-wink, or he can go wink-wink in Chicago. Mo we can let go if necessary; we don't want the league to "Joe-Smith" us too harshly (not that we have a smoking gun). ------------------
doctor robert, that was me with the mario comparison in another thread. *********** we've got enough damn "winks" on this team already. no way can i justify paying shandon 7 million. no freakin way. would you have paid mario elie the max back in the day? even for a "wink, wink, stink, stink?" ------------------ Lt. Roastabotch reporting for duty!
I think what Fegan is getting at is that Shandon signed the crappy deal so he could get paid well when we get cap space. Of course he's not worth more than $5 mill, but he took a pay cut to come here.... ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
I say offer him the early bird. If he wants the maximum let some other team pay him that and we can draft a REAL 3 and move on. I mean yeah Shandon is a nice complimentary player that plays good defense, but everytime he shoots the ball I'm in shock when he hits the shot. I agree with the idea that in a perfect world he'd be the 6th man. He's a nice compliment to a good team, but he can't lead a team like Franchise and Cat and hopefully CWebb will. ------------------ Cause I'm a twenty first century digital boy. I don't know how to read, but I got a lot of toys. My daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual. My mommy's on valium, so ineffectual. Oh Oh, ain't life a mystery?
I think someone says that one of our strengths in drawing Free Agents was that we showed loyalty etc to those that came here Funny so many are willing to TRASH that rep I'm not saying shan should get GARNETT MONEY but Just find this development curious. . . . how will the SHANDON ANDERSON INCIDENT affect us in years to come? Rocket River Think about the Ricky William's deal that his Agency got him . . . where are THEY now? ------------------
I agree with R95. I've always thought that's what would happen. Does anyone remember what the Jazz offered Shandon before he agreed to come to Houston? Well, the Rockets are going to have to at least top that annual figure. If you say that was his market value, you then have to compensate for these 2 (at the time it should be 3) years of underpay. You can't just break a wink-wink deal because the guy ended up not fitting into your system as much as you hoped (not saying the Rockets are even disappointed in Shandon though). That's the gamble the Rockets took--that's how they got him to come here in the first place, that understanding. Most are saying 4-5 mill a year. Well, 3 years at 7 mil (his new deal) plus the 3 years at 2 mil prior = 6 years at 4.5 mil.
The Rockets should keep any "wink-wink" deal they made with Shandon, if only for the sake of organizational reputation. But I really think there are better situations for Anderson out there. He just doesn't fit into the offense well. I'd bet there are situations out there better suited to (1) getting him a ring or (2) getting more shots. He's the 4th option in Houston. Don't get me wrong, though. I'd love to see the man stay for his defensive value alone. ------------------ In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
If Cuttino gets 6 million, then i think Shan should get 5.5 million. He is a valuable asset. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
There is no such wink wink deals with the Rockets!!! I don't think this organization operates like that. Players like playing for Rudy because he is a great player coach. You hear the accolaits from all the players. Everyone marvels at his approach to coaching. Shandon might have accepted less money to play for Houston, but that was merely to demonstrate to the league that he was as good as advertized. Well, in 2 years of play at Houston, his play has been very scratchy. His defense has been solid, but his offense is as unpredictable as earthquakes. You can't count on Shandon Anderson to take this team by the hair and pull it to victory. 4 to 5 million in my opinion is maximum dollar value the guy is worth. Come on, any team can only have a maximum of 1 severly overpaid bench stool!!! Cato is my pick! Unless we trade him, then Anderson can take his space! ------------------
They're just posturing for his contract. Shandon needs to understand his own worth. If he and his agent think he's gonna get, say, 6.5 million or more per year as a starting salary, he needs to wake up. He doesn't deserve it. And if he wants to stay in a hot-and-humid Southern big city, no other such destination has cap room for him. I hope this is all part of the game players go through to make it look like no future promises were made when he signed with us. I wouldn't mind including Shandon in a sign-and-trade to bring us someone we want or need (I like Shandon, but he's a little slight for the 3, and he isn't gonna start at the 2). But I'd much rather keep him. ------------------
There will be a ton of SFs in the draft... if Shandon wants to go elsewhere, pat him on the back as he leaves. ------------------ git it tag, git it!
I don't think Shandon even referenced that is was because of him that Utah went deep into the playoffs and to the finals. And I honestly don't believe that he believes that. But he definitely was an integral cog in the machine. Most every player with an opt-out clause does so....they have nothing but money to gain by doing it. He has to say these things....it is posturing. He has to make the Rockets aware that he will be "exploring" his options. Cuttino did it, Shandon will too. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Unfortunately Hoop-T, Shandon opting out will cause hell for the Rockets. It's as if he's laying down the gauntlet that the team will only consist of he and Mo... barring a miracle. ------------------ I'd rather be boinking my wife.
I will agree with that statement. I think he and his "agent" will demand premium dollar. BUT, this is common and definitely in the PLAYERS' best interest when they have these opt-out clauses. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Fegan's doing his job -- maximizing Anderson's earnings. I can't blame him for that. However $4-5 million does seem like the right number for him. Unless the Bulls overpay for him, I don't see him signing for more. As for screwing up the Webber thing, I doubt it will. It sounds like the Rockets will anything and everything to keep the space open. We may end up losing Mo and Shandon to get him. And worse yet, we may lose those two and not get Webber. But I don't see us closing that cap space just to give Anderson and Mo their money. This is going to be a tense off-season. But, if we sign Webber and lose Anderson and Taylor, will we consider that worth it? I will. ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
If we sign Webber. I think he's gone. If we don't sign Webber, I think he's on the team. I'd like for him to be here, but Webber is essential to the Rockets. Now, if we could just get Stern to turn the lottery into a coin tossing event. We could win that. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
I don't think he'll opt out. There will be some sort of wink-wink deal that if he doesn't opt out, he'll get around 7 million after next season. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
I think that comparison to Mario is very accurate. Shandon should be the Rockets 6th man in an ideal situation. If it weren't for other circumstances, he would be and he would be great at it. (That is if we had a good, SF sized SF)
