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Should it be a crime to be a rascist?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Joe Joe, Feb 8, 2002.

  1. Joe Joe

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    Simple question.

    My answer is no. Hang me up first if it is. I'm not a big time rascist and I don't try to be one at all. Racial discrimination is a different matter.

    I hate affirmative action. I hate knowing that if I'm toe to toe with a member of another race, I'll be discrimanated based on race/sex.

    People think "White men can't jump" and "white people don't have rythym" is funny. It isn't. Its highly racial and highly offensive to me.
     
  2. haven

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    I used to believe that. Until I discovered that the people admitted by such policies tend to do very well. You're encountering a barrier there, but they've encountered social de facto barriers all their lives.

    It's a tough issue, I'm ready to admit. Deal with the devil: it's utterly true that some people are at serious disadvantages, adn that's not fair. It's also utterly true that it's not fair to discriminate again to correct the situation.

    I'm for limited affirmative action, but it makes me queasy.
     
  3. Timing

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    Didn't someone post a link here about the UK making it illegal to be racist? I seem to recall something like that.
     
  4. HayesStreet

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    If you take actions based on your racist views, then yes it should be a crime. Although I guess it could be argued that its inevitable that your racism will be reflected in your decisions.

    NOW you know how minorities feel! Think about that.
     
  5. haven

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    Expressing racist opinions is illegal in many EU countries. I don't like that at all.... even though racists suck :mad:

    The majority is wrong too often for me to start wanting to limit minority speech. Even if the people we regard as pond scum are wrong 95% of the time... sometimes they're "visionary." (just not racists, but too bad of a precedent to set)
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    No, it shouldn't be. The punishment arives from other places with karmic inevitablity.

    In your case, for instance, the punishment arives as public humiliation from your amazing display of stupidity (of which you are clearly unaware, which makes it all the more funny).

    In the end, you'll reap what you sew.
     
  7. kidrock8

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    I don't think it's crime to be racist, or to get rid of affirmative action.

    Before someone paints me as a white, backwoods-living racist, I am an Asian who has lived in Houston since Day 1 of my life.

    With that being said, I am not a racist.

    What I will admit is that racism is something that somebody develops one way or another. How can we monitor/control what is going on in the mind of people, and in his case, racists?

    Personally, I hate affirmative action. From my experiences, I've gotten screwed from colleges, such as UT, because of my race, or because other races need to "fill up" quotas. I consider myself to be somewhat intelligent, but compared to some other Asians, my grades are nowhere close the Asians, I find myself competing against.

    To me, Affirmative action basically makes an Asian, such as myself, compete against other Asians. This is bull$hit. It should be me against everyone else, Asians, blacks, whites, whatever.

    Creating all of these "sub-groups" doesn't fix any problems, it just creates them.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    I will also say that I really don't think stereotyping is really a big issue. Assuming that it doesn't lead to discrimination. I will be the first to admit that I am very stereotypical about people. Stereotyping is not limited to just race. Everyone stereotypes certain things that don't pertain to race, yet it is not such a big deal, for whatever reason. I stereotype an SUV being slower than a 2-door sports car. Is this bad? No...

    As an Asian, sometimes I get stared at for being at "white" places like a BBQ place in the middle of nowhere on a road trip through the state. Or at a local tacqueria. I really don't care because I have bigger problems in life than worrying about whether or not I "fit in" to stereotypes. Having been on both sides of the fence regarding stereotyping, I think it's something that is totally blow out of proportion. Stereotyping, itself, is not the problem, it's the people who put too much stock into it who are the problem.

    What I do hate is discrimination because of race. Which seems to be what Affirmative Action promotes.
     
  8. HayesStreet

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    Now that was a funny post. You cleverly threw me off with the karma reference at the beginning, which led me to believe you were a flower power peacenik. Then you totally call him out. Hilarious.
     
  9. JohnnyBlaze

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    Classic, Lol :D
     
  10. clutchdream

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    No, when almost every single person in the world has some sort of racism in them , then it can't be illegal.
     
  11. finalsbound

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    Yeah...I guess it's wrong that comedians like Steve Harvey, Jamie Foxx, and D.L. Hughley can get away with sayin alot of negative stuff about white people, but God forbid a white person ripping a black person's character. I've honestly never been fond of that kind of crap.
     
  12. rimbaud

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    I think unenforceable (or, at least, really hard to enforce) crime laws should always be passed. It should be right up there with sodomy. I also think it should be illegal to pass laws.
     
  13. Lil Pun

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    The one thing people usually forget about black comedians that make fun of white people is that they also usually cut on black people as well. I'm not saying all of them do but a large portion of them will make fun of black and white people in a comedic routine.
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    I don't think that being racist should be a crime...in U.S.A. anyway. It's one of our basic rights to believe what we want and I have always stood by this. If a person wants to be racists I say fine let them waste their time doing that but I refuse to because if there is a certain person I dislike then I tend to ignore them or just stay away from them.
     
  15. JayZ750

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    He did, and that was his point. Aren't we all taught from birth that two wrongs don't make a right?

    So. That certainly doesnt make it any better.

    No, I dont think it should be acrime to be a racist, but it obviously shoudl be a crime to act upon it.

    My problem is, things like affirmative action only seem to further point out that there are discrepancies between black and white people, or others, when there actually arent. Is our best solution really one that is in itself racist?
     
  16. Princess

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    Okay, I'll let y'all in on what I really think about things. No, it should not be a crime to be a racist. And the only crime acted upon due to racism is the penalty for the crime. I am against the hate crime bill. I think it's terrible when "hate crimes" are committed, but I think there are only a small amount of crimes committed that are not about hate. I have no facts on this, it is just my honest opinion.

    I do not consider myself a racist. But I do have a strong animosity towards some people. There are some black people I do not like because of their mentality. These are the people who feel white people owe them something for their hardships in life, but they will not actually do anything to improve their lot in life. There are some white people I do not like because they feel that they are superior to all other people. There are some white people I don't like because they take advantage of the government welfare system. There are some hispanic people I don't like because they come here illegally and get government assistance(although I know their benefits). I really don't like people of any race that have to blame their entire life on someone else. And these are stereotypically reasons that I do not like these people. Some people I do not like simply because I do not like who they are.

    I know on here that I have said my life has been impacted by racism. But I do not blame them for where I am. I took what I was dealt and made the situation work for me (and I met a professor from the university that rejected me tonight, and I'm really glad I didn't end up there-he was a little boring, dull and weird, as were many of the people I have met from there). I hope that y'all can at least understand that.

    I would love affirmative action if it worked in practice. When women began going to Law school, it was hard to get in. Affirmative action was put in place and a few years later, it was removed because women were being admitted equally and were actually equally qualified. If the affirmative action system for minorities worked this well, I would be for it. However, I do not believe it has. I also don't know if I like the fact that my future doctor might only be a doctor because he's a minority. And I feel sympathy for the white person who gets turned away for affirmative action.

    Ideally, we shouldn't need affirmative action. I believe, as I said earlier, everyone should be responsible for his own life. I do not think a race box should even be provided on college applications. Traditionally, black people have been thought of as poor and uneducated. Instead of affirmative action to get them into colleges, I think they should focus on getting the grades to get into colleges. However, even if the smartest man alive is black and the college admissions office is run by a racist, he'll probably get screwed, and I think that's a shame. That's what affirmative action I think is really for, but it has gotten lost.

    These are my views. They may not be popular and you may not like them. But I hope you can at least read it and know and perhaps understand a little. That's all I'm really asking. And I hope that this can be settled now.

    (And a comment about the comedians...I understand why it can be seen as okay for Steve Harvey to make fun of whites because he makes fun of blacks too. But would it be equally okay for a white comedian to make fun of a black person if he also makes fun of white people? I don't think it would fly well, but tell me if you think differently.)
     
  17. TraJ

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    Who's going to get to define what is racist? The possibilities scare me.
     
  18. Princess

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    Oh my! I don't think that was a smart thing to post. Everyone has his own definition. There's about a million posts on here that might give you an idea.

    Honestly, I don't think you want to open that can of worms. Let's just say a racist is bad. Racists hate based on race. I guess that's broad, but I think it has to be. I was trying to give one that everyone on here could agree with (although I'm not sure that's possible). But don't take it as the only definition because it's not.
     
  19. kidrock8

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    There are some racists who generally hate a race, yet have a few friends within the race.
     
  20. treeman

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    In answer to the question, No.

    Even the thought disturbs me... Can you say "Thought Police"?
     

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