Should Giddyup vote for Obama?

Remember to look at:

Obama/Biden v. McCain/Palin.

Palin having that much power scares the hell out of me. Might be the deciding factor, either way, for many undecided voters.

 

Was the democratic party enthused, or bitterly split as the primaries ran down. Yep, bitterly split

Enthusiasm doesn't last long if you can't lead. Obama has never led anything in his life. Why don't we just make Joel Osteen president if you want enthusiasm? Why not Arsenio Hall, for that matter?

 

What has McSame ever lead?

He led 5 airplanes into the ground ultimately leading to his capture.

 

Giddy,

I think we probably have a lot of the same ideals.....I wish there was a centrist candidate out there as the party leader, but in a time where America's influence around he world is waning, and our economy is in crisis, I want a steady hand.

To me that is Obama.


DD

 

Take this from and independent who detests both parties: The Republicans MUST be severely punished this year so they will be forced to regroup and come back as a party worth voting for again. If they win this time after messing up the country so badly, they will be insufferably arrogant and their kook extreme elements will remain in control indefinitely. Think back to 1994 when the Dems were smacked in the mouth and shockingly lost both houses of Congress when Bill was president. The GOP must be ground into powder and almost rebuilt from scratch. They must know the electorate will punish them severely for catastrophic failure.

Take a look at what John McCain has turned into the last 6-7 weeks. Selling out to the people who shredded him back in 2000. We are supposed to believe he's going to turn on these same people that are carrying him across the finish line. Bringing up Paris Hilton, "rock star", accusing Obama of wanting comprehensive sex education for kindergarten children, choosing Sarah Palin as VP at the last second under duress from GOP power brokers. The "maverick", "Straight Talk Express" is dead and gone.

All of the above plus more blows away my misgivings about giving the Dems both houses of congress and the presidency at the same time.

Hold your nose and do it this one time. The future of the GOP is at stake. The kooks must lose their death grip on the party and they won't if rewarded by a McCain win. The sad irony of McCain winning the nomination yet getting co-opted by them is the tragic story of this election.

 

Pragmatic, thinks issues through, isn't rash, steady leadership - Obama has a lot of qualities that Giddy could come to appreciate.

 

I think the next president needs to be considerably more diplomatic and insightful. After eight years of "my way or the highway" and "truthiness", I'd like to see some thoughtful pragmatism in our policies, and a renewed emphasis on improving the lives of our own citizenry. That's what I see in Obama. I may not agree with everything he does, but I know he's thought it through, and weighed the options.

McCain strikes me as another Bush - reactive, uninformed, and highly suspicious of ideas he is unfamiliar with.

I also trust Obama in regards to the economy way more than McCain.

From a fiscal standpoint, it's no contest. McCain will continue the all-too-common republican defecit machine - no thanks. Obama, while in no way a fiscal conservative (a pity) at least has some semblance of a plan to pay for his activities. And he'll cut taxes to the majority of the country. Win-win.

 

very true!

Bin Laden video - Oct 2004

"And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahedin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan with Allah’s permission… And it all shows that the real loser is… you. It’s the American people and their economy."

 

Of course it was. And it has worked (with help from Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton, among many others).

Fiscal conservatism is dead, but it's really the only thing that will start righting the ship, IMO. I suppose this falls into one of those "lesser of two evils" choices, at least with respect to fiscal policy.

 

Depends. You have the greatest fiscal crisis of our lifetimes right now - one that will descend into absolute panic by Monday if not dealt with. And you have Bush, the House Dems, the Senate Dems, and the Senate Republicans all working together in a bipartisan manner.

And then you have John McCain working with House Republicans to undermine it and play politics.

Is that the kind of leader you want? I've always been a fan of McCain - not of his campaign, but of him. I've posted many times here that this is an election of two people I actually like as opposed to "the lesser of two evils". That ended yesterday. Whatever he once was is no longer there. He's interested in winning, at any cost - even if it means destroying anything in his path. He singlehandedly is causing what is going to be a mini-market panic today in a few minutes. If he keeps doing this through the weekend, it will cause something much, much more severe on Monday.

 

This much became apparent with his summer "gas tax holiday" proposal, which every single economist in the country knew was a horrible idea (i.e., literally none came forward to support it). That policy, it turned out, came entirely from the political wing of his campaign. It was just the start of McCain's pattern of betting on voters' ignorance (lying).

 

I agree - but at least with that, like Obama's "get the troops out starting in March 2008" plan, you knew it was just politics. Neither of those proposals were going anywhere because they were being proposed for the current year when neither was President.

Here, you have a situation where his actions are actually causing very real, immediate harm. And that's the sad part about it, to me. Most of the rest can be explained by "that's politics". Here, it's clearly and directly putting politics over country.

 

Remember the important is democracy. So where is the poll?

Think of it this way, voting for Obama is like voting for Morey. A young guy comes in and just let it rips. You want people who are intelligent and can handle numbers. Undoubtedly, doubts linger his path. But his track record shows a man from a humble background, who overcomes any and every obstacle along the way. He is not asking for your faith, he merely seeks hope.

Moreover, Obama will get you a tax cut, and Jesus was a community organizer.

[size=-4]I was undecided a month ago[/size]

 

Wouldn't it be great if McCain gets voted off Senate when those elections start. He's a goner this election for president. Given his lack of credibility with even showing up for passing bills all year, and this mess he's causing, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arizona give him a big **** you as well. It would be poetic justice.

 

For what its worth I think Obama will have the right staff around him when he wins the election. I think he's a bright man and will be a good president. I know TJ, Texx, and other Republicans mock him for his speeches, but I think having a charismatic moving and powerful orator would be great for the US especially given this crisis.

RFD, JFK, and Reagan were very moving presidents. A couple of their track records were questionable, but they knew how to inspire Americans. I honestly think Obama carries that type of power with him that no others can do right now.

 

my words exactly.

independent for obama.

 

Yes, giddy, you should. I'm beginning to think, after watching his bizarre behavior of late, that John McCain may not be fit for the office, something I didn't think before. His VP choice certainly is not, IMO. It used to be that I simply disagreed with McCain on the issues, but admired him, otherwise. No longer.