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Shareef wants out...... should the Rocks take a look.....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tigereye, Jul 27, 2004.

  1. tigereye

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    From this mornings Oregonian.......he is DETERMINED to get out of Portland.

    Should the Rockets trade for him?????

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    Blazer demands a trade

    Shareef Abdur-Rahim wants a meeting with team officials and threatens not to play
    Tuesday, July 27, 2004

    Trail Blazers forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim, despondent over the Blazers' rejection of a trade that could have sent him to the New Jersey Nets, told The Oregonian on Monday that he wants a meeting with Blazers management to emphasize that he will not report to training camp unless he is traded.

    "I hope it doesn't come to (a holdout), but if it does, it does," Abdur-Rahim said. "I don't want that to happen; it's not me and I don't think it's indicative of who I am. But at the same time, when I left Portland after the season, I was put under the impression of one thing (being traded), and now it has changed."

    Agent Aaron Goodwin said Abdur-Rahim might go straight to the top of the Blazers' hierarchy -- owner Paul Allen -- because Goodwin's sources are telling him that the Blazers are saying Allen was the one who vetoed a recent trade proposal to New Jersey.

    "Paul needs to understand that Shareef is not coming back there," Goodwin said. "It's getting to the point where it's ridiculous. I guess they don't see it as a problem, and I guess at some point they think that Shareef is going to say, 'Forget it, I'll play (small forward) for them.' But that is not the case. Portland, for whatever reason, is holding Shareef hostage and it's unfortunate."

    Abdur-Rahim said he left a postseason meeting with general manager John Nash and coach Maurice Cheeks with the impression that he would be traded. Now, however, he said Nash and Cheeks are telling him that he will be the team's starting small forward, while backing up Zach Randolph at power forward.

    Abdur-Rahim said this new strategy puzzles him because he doesn't play small forward and everyone on the team knows that Darius Miles is best suited for that position.

    "My problem with that is if you started Darius at small forward all of last year -- and Darius is supposed to be a big part of the Blazers' future -- and now I'm going to start there?" Abdur-Rahim said. "That's creating a crazy situation. What is Darius supposed to think about that? And for the team? That's not good. I don't want to be in a situation where it's uncomfortable.

    "And last season, I didn't even split time at the four, and now all of a sudden you want to start me at the three and have me back up at the four? I just want to know what is really going on. Are they trying to keep me to save luxury tax dollars the next season, or what? I just want to sit down and get some straight talk."

    The crux of the dispute is that Abdur-Rahim, 27, thinks he is still in his prime and should play extensive minutes at his natural, power forward position. Blazers officials indicate he is not better than Randolph, a blossoming power forward who won the NBA's Most Improved Player Award, and thus should be his backup.

    The Blazers' solution is to play Abdur-Rahim for about 24 minutes a game at small forward, and 12 minutes at power forward when Randolph rests. Abdur-Rahim's solution is that he should be traded to a team where he can start at power forward.

    That could have become reality last week, but Goodwin said the Blazers turned down a proposed trade from New Jersey that would have sent shooting guard Kerry Kittles, shooting guard Lucious Harris, power forward Aaron Williams and a first-round pick to Portland for Abdur-Rahim.

    "They just tossed it aside," Goodwin said of the Blazers. "It wasn't like it was a team that didn't have a good deal on the table; this was an excellent deal on the table and it could have solved a problem."

    Nash would not comment on whether the Nets proposed that trade, and he said he is not concerned with Abdur-Rahim's threat to hold out of training camp in October if he is not traded, saying that he will be fined accordingly, with the amount increasing each day.

    Abdur-Rahim, who is set to make $14.6 million next season, said he is prepared to absorb as many fines as it takes.

    "It's not a good situation," Goodwin said. "For them to try and mold him into a (small forward) when he is proven to be one of the more dominant (power forwards) in the league is wrong.

    "So he has two options: to continue to allow his spiral in Portland; or he takes a stance to get out of Portland. Right now, he is choosing to take a stance."

    Cheeks on Monday said he has spoken recently with Abdur-Rahim, a conversation in which he told Abdur-Rahim that if he is indeed on the Blazers' roster next season, the majority of his playing time would be at small forward.

    "For us, we certainly can't move Zach out of his position, so we have to find a place for Shareef, and that is (small forward)," Cheeks said. "When I told him that, he said he doesn't want to play a three; that was his reaction."

    Nash said he thinks Abdur-Rahim, who averaged 22.8 minutes in 32 games with the Blazers last season, can play 30 minutes a game next season with Portland.

    "What we would envision is Shareef playing in a three-forward rotation, with Zach, Darius and Shareef getting the lion's share of minutes. I would see him playing significantly more than he played for us last year. He is a terrific player, and if he is on our roster, he should be on the floor."

    Nash said he hasn't ruled out trading Abdur-Rahim, but at the moment, no team has made a desirable offer.

    "I continue to talk to every team in the league," Nash said. "But I know what is available and what is not. Perhaps what is not available now may later become available. We couldn't have made the (Rasheed Wallace trade) last summer, last fall, or even last December. It didn't become available until February. We have made teams aware of what we would do, and in many cases, we have been rejected."

    Abdur-Rahim, however, said he can't handle another season of swallowing his pride and watching from the bench. He said his career averages (20.1 points, 8.2 rebounds) are too stellar, and his age (27) young enough to be a pawn in the Blazers' money-saving scheme.

    "Don't put me back in the same position as last season. I did it for half the season last year because it wasn't the time to discuss it," Abdur-Rahim said. "I'm not trying to be a distraction, but you can't tell me I'm going to start at the three when you have another kid here who has proven himself.

    "The only point I'm trying to make is, don't take the (professional) way I handle things as a weakness that can be taken advantage of. I've said this to John and I've said it to Maurice: Find a different situation for me.

    "And if I have to sit out and do whatever I have to do, then I will do it. I don't want to, but I will."

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  2. Tonaaayyyy

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    whats up with the players nowadays??? everyone is demanding a trade. :rolleyes: ur paid to play so just stick with it :mad:
     
  3. shawn786

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    After reading that, theres no way i want him
     
  4. Slick Rick

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    One word: NO!!!!!!!!!

    He has never been a winner. He puts up good numbers on bad teams. Portland shouldn't count because hew was moved on the trade deadline.
     
  5. rockets-#1

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    I'd be happy with MoT+Howard or Reef alone, either way works because each has it's pluses.
     
  6. codell

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    Youd have to involve a third team though. I doubt that Portland wants to pay $6-$7 MIL for Randolph's backup.
     
  7. pippendagimp

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    6-7mil for randy's backup is better than 14.6!
     
  8. codell

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    Portland wants to start him at SF.
     
  9. rockets-#1

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    That's a good point, but so is Codell's. I was thinking if the Rockets did the trade it'd be MoT and Howard, but then you just reminded me of Randolph. They're not gonna want 3 good PF's (then again they are the Blazers so they might), so yeah that trade + filler wouldn't work. We don't need Reef that bad to go and so something stupid. We need the depth as it is.
     
  10. darkwarrior

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    you guys have to understand where his coming from. I personally haven't scouted him, but if his natural position is a 4, and he gets moved to the 3 where a legit starter darius miles used to start, you have to ask questions. I would ask for a trade too if i was in his position. He also sucked at playing at the 3 (i heard this from one of you guys), so why would the blazers do that knowing it would not be a productive thing to do?

    Having said that, there's no chance in freakin hell we could get him. The Nets offered kittles, harris, a. williams AND a first round pick, but was turned away by their GM. What do we have to offer? And add on to that we both will be fighting for a playoff spot in the same conference? It won't happen
     
  11. kgw

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    From everything I've read, my take on it is that if Minnesota
    doesn't match the offer sheet on Trenton Hassell, Denver may
    be poised to make an offer to Miles. If Portland consummates
    a trade, they could be left with a gaping hole at the 3. In my
    opinion, once the Hassell/Miles situation settles out, Shareef
    will get his trade.
     
  12. pippendagimp

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    He refuses to play that position!
     
  13. scotia

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    What can we offer for Shareef?:confused:
     
  14. codell

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    And hell refuse to be Randolph's backup too!
     
  15. pippendagimp

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    Then 6-7mil for a good backup 4 is a nice deal for them versus 14.6mil of salary space gone AWOL!
     
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    It makes sense from SAR's point of view. He may not be a star, but he is a legit big man. Many teams can use his service and expiring contract. Besides, this is his contract year so he probably want to play starter minutes at PF, instead of sucking at SF.
     
  17. Easy

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    I don't mind players not happy with the management decisions. But voicing it out with a holdout threat in the media? I don't like that. They should talk in private.

    That said, I too am puzzled about why Portland turned down the Nets deal.
     
  18. Rockets34Legend

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    I wonder if they can package SAR and NVE to Houston. I wonder who we can give up...
     
  19. codell

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    Not when they can just trade him to a team that can offer players in return who will fill other holes, which is probably what they will do.

    Trading SAR for Mo Taylor is by far, one of the worst deals they could make.
     
  20. Sanjaylucknow

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    Houston trades:

    Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 min)
    Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.7 min
    Eric Piatkowski (4.1 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.3 minutes)
    Bostjan Nachbar (3.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.5 min)
    Adrian Griffin (0.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 7.0 min)
    Future First round Pick to Portland
    Houston receives:
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 min)
    Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 min)

    Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

    New Jersey trades:

    Kerry Kittles (13.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg in 34.7 min)

    New Jersey receives:

    Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 75 games)

    Change in team outlook: -1.6 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

    Portland trades:
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 min)
    Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)

    Portland receives:
    Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 52 games) Eric Piatkowski (4.1 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 49 games)
    Bostjan Nachbar (3.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 45 games) Adrian Griffin (0.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19 games)
    Kerry Kittles (13.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg in 82 games)
    Future First Round Pick from Rockets
    Change in team outlook: +2.6 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Assuming that SAR will be more willing to play 3/4 on Rockets than Blazers, Houston gets a decent forward and cap relief next summer for a buntch of role players. Houston will have to swallow an extra year of salary for Patterson, as compared to Spoon, but the Patterson is more servicible than Spoon. Rockets will still have the trade exception and ME exception to fill in the holes.

    New Jersey gets a servicible PF for an ageing shoot guard. Not bad.

    Portland gets the expiring contracts of Kittles and A. Griffin, an upcoming SF in Nachbar and a shorter contract of Spoon as compared to Patterson. Rockets first rounder is a bonus.

    Cheers all !!!

    Rockets:

    Yao/FA
    Howard/SAR/Vet PF for injury insurance
    SAR/JJ
    TM/JJ/Patterson
    FA/Lue/Gaines
     

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