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Shareef Abdur-Rahim for Mobley and Griffin - Would You Do It?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Manny Ramirez, Feb 8, 2003.

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  1. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    My father who is a big Atlanta Hawks fan tells me last night that he had heard that Abdur-Rahim is the subject of many trade rumors and one of them was to Houston for Mobley and Griffin.

    Now, I assumed that he got this from ESPN Insider, so I registered for that service.

    Unfortunately, I could find no substantiation for this rumor. I think it was just my dad's wishful thinking.:) Little does he know what he is getting with Mobley.:D

    However, the Insider did list a lot of players that are *supposedly* on the block and Abdur-Rahim was one of them. However, Houston was not one of the choices. The only players that were on their list that our Rockets might be interested (according to them) were Austin Croshere and Andre Miller (who they say everyone is interested in).

    But I got to thinking about Abdur-Rahim for Mobley and Griffin. Obviously, if this ever materialized, we would need someone to replace Mobley in the backcourt. How about Dan Dickau?

    We get Abdur-Rahim and Dickau and anything else to make it work CBA wise and give up Mobley and Griffin.

    Now the bad thing is that Dickau is probably not ready to be a 40 minute plus starting PG which means more Moochie.:rolleyes:

    However, Abdur-Rahim could fill the 4 role easily and even play the 3 spot.

    New Line-Up

    SF - Posey
    PF - Abdur-Rahim
    C - Yao
    SG - Francis
    PG - Dickau/Moochie:rolleyes:

    If we could get their 1st round pick along with Dickau and Abdur-Rahim, I would do this trade...get rid of Mobley and Griffin and whatever else that is needed for it to work CBA wise.

    True it could bite us in the ass if Griffin develops an offensive game, but an addition by subtraction (getting rid of Mobley) could really help us, IMO.

    I know that some of you will feel that I am a Cat "hata", but it is pointless to have 2 guys out there who are the same player in Francis and Mobley. Get rid of one (the lesser talented one) and bring in a true PG. Getting a 1st round pick AND Abdur-Rahim is gravy
     
    #1 Manny Ramirez, Feb 8, 2003
  2. thumbs

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    NO! Thanks.
     
    #2 thumbs, Feb 8, 2003
  3. Yetti

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    No, not two for one, thank you!
     
    #3 Yetti, Feb 8, 2003
  4. RIET

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    First of all, Rahim makes a huge salary. There is no way it would work salary cap wise.

    Also, if the Hawks are trying to trade Ratliff, Rahim, and/or Jason Terry, they are clearly rebuilding. They would never trade a high draft choice away.

    No way this is happening.
     
    #4 RIET, Feb 8, 2003
  5. Manny Ramirez

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    That is why I said "whatever works CBA wise" because I honestly didn't know how far off the salaries are.

    Yea, you are probably right about the draft pick, RIET.

    To me, I'm in favor of any deal that gets rid of Mobley or Francis (preferably Mobley) and brings us a true PG. Dickau might be a reach, but he would be an interesting sidebar to come along with Rahim.

    And Rahim is mentioned simply because he is obviously, according to lots of sources, on the block.

    But he probably is not a good fit for this team.
     
    #5 Manny Ramirez, Feb 8, 2003
  6. pchan

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    No, rahim is soft... he is not worth mobley and griffin
     
    #6 pchan, Feb 8, 2003
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    There is NO way in the world I would give up Mobley to get Dickau. Abdur Rahim is OK but he costs wayy to much
     
    #7 fatman510, Feb 8, 2003
  8. Sane

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    Rahim is a SF in the West, and we're OK at that position. Otherwise, it's a nice deal. If we throw in Cato and they throw in Nazr Mohammed and the rights to Dermarr Johnson, then it would be closer, salary-wise.

    But in the end, our team looks better before the trade. We have to be careful not to make trades unless it actually improves the team.
     
    #8 Sane, Feb 8, 2003
  9. MManal

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    A deal could be struck that would work on the cap for Rahim and Dickau (Taylor, Mobley, Griffin for Rahim, Dickau). However, I dont really think that solves our problems. Rahim can score well and rebound ok, but his defense is definitely soft. In addition, Dickau is very inexperienced and could not be depended on for significant PT in the backcourt. I wouldnt go this route.

    If the Rockets do make a deal, I hope they make a move for Andre Miller or Elton Brand. It sounds like Miller's value has dropped a bit, and he possibly could be acquired w/o giving up a bunch of talent.
     
    #9 MManal, Feb 8, 2003
  10. vj23k

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    Dan Dickau? Our starting PG? I don't even know if I would want the Nash wannabe as our backup PG. And, how much do we really want Rahim? Seems like he is just a stat machine. Jason Terry, Abdur-Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Mohammed, Ratliff, and Darvin Ham should be a playoff team...especially in the least.
     
    #10 vj23k, Feb 8, 2003
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    Yes! Please search for leebigez's thread on this same subject.

    SAR plus a pick would be sweet. Keep Francis at 1 and play Posey at 2. Tmo at 3 and SAR at 4 with Yao. Francis can move to the 2 with Mooch from time to time,still, until we pull in a cheap vet distributor later with the pick or by moving Taylor or Cato. Of course, from time to time we can also go with Taylor or Cato at the 4 with SAR at the 3. Very versitile line-up.

    SAR is legit. Don't hate on him. He'd compliment Ming very very well. He has an arsenal - not one-dimensional. Smart. Would defer to Ming. A very good sidekick in the frontcourt. No way they could double off him to front/back seal Ming. He can hit Posey or Tmo slashing, too. He'd kill if Ming drops him the ball down low, he nails it if Steve hits him high, he can kick out and drop it inside, too.

    They get Cat and Griffin plus Rice. No loss there. It works. All star glue player for wannabees and hasbeens. Please, people ... think. Y'all are very quick to dismiss this.
     
    #11 pasox2, Feb 8, 2003
  12. DieHard Rocket

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    Only if we can get a first rounder in the deal, and swing that and SAR somehow for Brand.
     
    #12 DieHard Rocket, Feb 8, 2003
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    SAR has less impact than any player in history with similar #'s, it seems. It's not just that he has poor teammates - he genuinely seems to have little affect on whether his team wins or loses.

    To give up a player with Griffin's potential and the bargain-basement scoring of Mobley... ack, hell no.
     
    #13 haven, Feb 8, 2003
  14. Manny Ramirez

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    I think y'all are being too hard on SAR. He could be like Mike Bibby and just needs to be in different surroundings.

    And I am disappointed that some of you can't see that an addition by subtraction is a good thing in this case.

    Oh well...BTW - pasox, thanks for the post.
     
    #14 Manny Ramirez, Feb 8, 2003
  15. The Real Shady

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    Good point about Bibby.

    I believe Rudy tried to get Rahim before and likes his game. Rahim would allow Rudy to run the offense like he would want it to be run by going into the post as the first option with Rahim and Ming. Also this alleviates the problem of having two shooting guards dominating the ball for the Rockets.

    I would do the trade.
     
    #15 The Real Shady, Feb 8, 2003
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    No way.
     
    #16 carayip, Feb 8, 2003
  17. WinkFan

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    He's already had two chances, and hasn't done anything. Also, he makes MoT look like a defensive stopper. Watch him sometime.
     
    #17 WinkFan, Feb 8, 2003
  18. Manny Ramirez

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    I have seen him play, thank you.

    And if you think he had a chance by playing on one of the worst franchises in sports in the Grizzle (and this was before Jerry West took over), then, no offense, but I would rather not hear anymore.

    Once again, look at Mike Bibby. Don't underestimate what a change of scenery can do for some guys. Atlanta was not a fair place for Abdur-Rahim as they had a coach in Lon Kruger, who was worse than Rudy, in getting through to the players.

    I guess you also think the same about Andre Miller since he has not played on a winning team while disregarding the organization, coaching, system, etc.
     
    #18 Manny Ramirez, Feb 8, 2003
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    No. Reef is about as productive as he will be while Eddie has a lot of potential. Hell, Cuttino does mentally as well. Two for one doesn't make sense here. Crappy trade.
     
    #19 tozai, Feb 8, 2003
  20. saleem

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    I wouldn't do this trade.Rahim is a fine scorer but not much else. If Mobley is gone,Francis would have to move to the 2 and we wouldn't have anyone to at the point except Moochie. Dan Dickau can't solve our problem at the 1.
     
    #20 saleem, Feb 8, 2003
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