As achebe post in his threads, CBS suggested Anderson and Walt were disappointing this past season. I thought what the hell, lets crunch the numbers over lunch. For those who are going to post "But Shandon plays great D every night get off his case", Please read the following warning I would just like to state this thread is about Shandon's OFFENSIVE output and i am not bringing into question his sensational defensive performance he produce night in night out last season. Ok here we go, here are Shandon numbers 12.3ppg 2.9apg 4.7rpg .473 FG% .351 3P% Now here are some other players that started at SG last season Kobe, Reggie, S. Smith, Houston, Peeler, Elie, Mercer, Abdul-Wahid, Dickerson, McGrady, Allen, Iverson, Finley, Hornaceck, Jim Jackson, Rider, Kittles, Richmond, E. Jones, Sura, Stackhouse, P. Hardaway, N. Anderson, Hughes. Maybe my selection criteria is dodgy, but for my comparison I have picked 10 of the above players out, these 10 were all on playoff teams and considering that is where the Rockets want to get to, is probably fair. Kobe 22.5ppg 4.9apg 6.3 .468 FG% .319 3P% Steve Smith 14.9ppg 2.5apg 3.8rpg .467 FG% .398 3P% Reggie 18.1ppg 2.3apg 3rpg .448 FG% .408 3P% Houston 19.7ppg 2.7apg 3.3rpg .483 FG% .436 3P% Penny 16.9ppg 5.3apg 5.8rpg .474 FG% .324 3P% Eddie Jones 20.1ppg 4.2apg 4.8rpg .427 FG% .375 3P% Ray Allen 22.1ppg 3.8apg 4.4rpg .455 FG% .423 3P% Nick Anderson 10.8ppg 1.7apg 4.7rpg .391 FG% .322 3P% Stackhouse 23.6ppg 4.5apg 3.8rpg .428 FG% .288 3P% Iverson 28.4ppg 4.7apg 2.8rpg .421 FG% .341 3P% Now only Nick Anderson scores less than Shandon, his assist and rebounding numbers are both pretty good. One big positive is his shooting percentage which is only beaten by Penny and Houston, but nearly all of them are within .05 of Shandons shooting percentage and with a couple of extra shots make up for the difference, so maybe Shandon needs to look to shoot more especially with his good FG%. I know these numbers don't show up shots taken, but for me if he could get his average up above 15ppg, he would be a much more complete player and the rockets would be a much better team. I know everyone will say but Cat and Steve score alot, but don't forget we only had 30 wins last season, and that means we need to improve and that includes Shandon, cause realistcially if we are to be a contender, is 12ppg good enough from our starting SG. Smeg of Numbers ------------------ Stuff BBS, the Rockets and you guys It's all Clippers these days, come join the bandwagon and visit http://www.ClippersCity.net [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited July 10, 2000).] [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited July 10, 2000).]
Anderson's numbers will increase next season as the ROCKETS team turnovers decrease.(better chemistry) ------------------ "UNBEATABLE"
What you failed to notice is that the only players on that list that shot a better % than Shandon were Houston and Penny. ------------------
From what your numbers suggest Smeg, Shandon has the potential to be one of the elite sgs in the NBA. Not bad for a 50-something pick. PPG - positively coorelated w/ his shots per game. FG% - above average. 3pt% - above average. RB - above average. Assts - average to below average. As NIKE pointed out in another thread, Shandon was over 16 ppg for the last 25 games of the season. Not bad. Shandon will be looking at $7 Million or more in the summer of 2001. Don't even think for a second that the Rockets would take up that option w/o promise of the MAX the following year (below market for 3 years adds up). ------------------ The ClutchCity 500.
have to agree with you again Smeg. Shandon has to become more assertive offensively. Perhaps if we meld Steve and Shandon, the Rockets would have a more complete player. Or a really sucky one. ------------------ blah blah blah
Not to mention, with Shandon splitting time with Cuttino, he probably played much less time than the rest of those players. Would someone find out the scoring vs. minutes played of all these selected players? ------------------ "Nothing is certain but the unforseen." Some Dude
Dont forget that shandon was just starting to light it up with the Rox at the end of the season. 35pts. in the last game. ------------------ Casa ole! Fresh today!every DAY!OLE!!!
What you failed to mention is that Shandon had 100% heart last season & signed for the exception. Please compare him with other starting SG that signed for the exception. Shandon will work well for years to come. Imagine a guy who starts @ the 2 & doesn't need 20.9 PPG to make an impact. All that aside TRADE HIM NOW to insure keeping Mobley. "Who needs heart & a winning attitude @ a cheap price when you have a ball hog for a whole lot more?" I think that's a Karl Malone quote from every offseason since he got to the NBA. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Slick Willie (edited July 10, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Slick Willie (edited July 10, 2000).]
Smeg, will you please hurry up and put some of these people in their place? I would, but I am trying to learn to type, and I am excruciatingly avging Shandon-like #s on my wpm. ------------------ blah blah blah
Call me crazy, but I'd rather keep Shandon than Mobley. They're not very far apart in age, and I think it would be easier to get Shandon to score 4 more points per game, than to get Mobley to play sensational defense, hustle after every ball, and TAKE LESS MONEY THAN HE COULD FIND ELSEWHERE *hint hint*. ------------------
Just for you Cisco Isn't it amazing you start an intelligent thread about Shandon's offesive productionas compared to other staring SG and within a few replys by posters with less than 10 posts to their names turn it an argument over "Shandon or Cat: who should we keep' and 'Players Point production compared to the income'. Surely we should introduce some prerequites before you are able to post a reply, that is you can READ and COMPREHEND. ------------------ Stuff BBS, the Rockets and you guys It's all Clippers these days, come join the bandwagon and visit http://www.ClippersCity.net [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited July 11, 2000).]
haven gets it Hustle it's all about fire ------------------ Trade Shandon & Francis now. Join the save our Mobley movement. Less fire, less heart, less competition for a starting job More money - more touches & it's all good now.
LOL ------------------ Stuff BBS, the Rockets and you guys It's all Clippers these days, come join the bandwagon and visit http://www.ClippersCity.net
its not about hustle, its not about D, its not about money, its not even about Mobes! It is merely a disscusion of SAs offensive output. sheesh. ------------------ blah blah blah
Thanks Cisco ------------------ Stuff BBS, the Rockets and you guys It's all Clippers these days, come join the bandwagon and visit http://www.ClippersCity.net
I disagree... both Shandon and Mobley play SG for the Rockets. Those players mentioned earlier in the post will NOT be in Rockets unis next year... Anderson and Mobley will. Now, if one asserts that Anderson's offensive output is insufficient, as some people do, one must consider starting a (perhaps departing) mobley in place of him. Thus, whether those 12pts per game are sufficient for a starting point guard DOES tie in to a Mobley/Shandon comparison. I posit that losing Mobley would NOT be as painful as some would have us believe, as Shandon is the more capable 2 guard. ------------------
It should be noted that out of the 10 players being compared, only three were with new teams. Those three also had the lowest scoring averages of the ten. I think that with another year in a familiar system, with familiar faces, Shandon should be better than he was last year. Here's hoping, anyway.
Another important thing about Shandon's offense is, up to this point, he gets most points from running the floor or from others breaking down the defense (francis or cat). Many SGs (Kobe, Reggie, Iverson) creat their own shots on a much more consistent basis than Shandon. This isn't a criticism of Shandon but traditionally the SG can break a defense down, where as Shandon is more in the Joe Dumars mold where he expends much of his energy on defense. ------------------
Smeg-As I've said, Shandon's offensive production went up every month, climaxing in the last month at a NICE 17.9 PPG. 16 ppg with great defense for the season, after getting into the system, which he is now, are very good numbers. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
