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Setting the Record Straight on Fiscal Policy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Feb 6, 2007.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking
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    For all the libpig agonists: Please read the following WSJ piece and learn to stop lying about and misrepresenting the debt, deficit, spending budgets, etc. Knowledge can help you overcome your many inadequacies.

    Fiscal Revelation
    February 6, 2007; Page A16
    Politicians are typically late in picking up trends, so it will be interesting to see how long it takes Washington to acknowledge the big story in the Fiscal 2008 budget that President Bush unveiled yesterday: To wit, with a little spending restraint, Congress could balance the budget in no time.

    You wouldn't know this from all the garment-rending yesterday in response to Mr. Bush's proposal to spend the not-so-meager sum of $2.9 trillion. Our favorite agonist is Kent Conrad, the Senate Budget Committee Chairman, and he didn't disappoint. "The President's budget is filled with debt and deception, disconnected from reality, and continues to move America in the wrong direction," said the Senator who was himself blocked from sneaking nearly $5 billion in "emergency" farm spending into a military construction bill in the final days of the last Congress. The North Dakotan needs to keep shouting disaster in a crowded political theater so he can justify his desire for a big tax increase.


    The news Mr. Conrad won't broadcast is that over the past three years the federal deficit has shrunk by 58%. The Congressional Budget Office -- not the White House -- is estimating that the current year's deficit (for fiscal 2007) will fall to $172 billion. That's not bad given continuing Katrina relief spending, $30 billion for homeland security, and a couple hundred billion or so to fight the war on terror.

    The White House is projecting that its new budget will eliminate the deficit by 2012 assuming Mr. Bush's tax cuts are extended after 2010. We don't put much stock in future budget forecasts because they depend on so many variables. But even CBO predicts the deficit should remain near or below 1% of GDP for the rest of the Bush Presidency. That's well below the 40-year average of 2.4% of GDP.

    This also means that the federal debt burden will continue to fall. Alarmists point to the $1.4 trillion rise in total federal debt from 2003-2006, but that amount is dwarfed by the $14 trillion in new household wealth created over the same period. And for all the international scolding of an allegedly profligate America, U.S. federal debt as a share of GDP is falling again (see the top chart nearby). At 37% in 2006 and heading south, the U.S. figure compares to 52% in Germany, 43% in France, and 79% in Japan. Once again rising total "debt" is a scare word used to justify higher taxes.

    The real game to watch isn't debt or deficits but spending. Here, too, Mr. Bush has an improved track record in his second term. From 2001-2005, outlays ballooned by $609 billion, or 33%, and Mr. Bush never did veto a spending bill. By contrast, on current pace his second term outlays will grow by 21% -- hardly tightfisted, but a third slower.

    The other news you won't often hear concerns the soaring tax revenues in the wake of the 2003 supply-side tax cuts. Tax collections have risen by $757 billion, among the largest revenue gushers in history. Receipts, especially from high-income individuals and corporations, have been growing for some two years at nearly twice the rate of spending, which explains the falling deficit. Economic growth is always the key to eliminating red ink, which is why keeping this 63-month expansion rolling needs to be the main domestic priority. This requires making those lower 2003 tax rates permanent, rather than letting them expire in 2010 and socking the economy with the biggest tax increase in history.

    The more immediate budget brawl between Mr. Bush and Democrats will be how to divide that mere $2.9 trillion between guns and butter. Mr. Bush wants $245 billion more for Iraq and Afghanistan for 2007 and 2008. His overall Pentagon request of $606 billion in 2008 has been lambasted by Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a "huge number" and Democrats are moaning that their cherished social programs will suffer.

    In fact, Mr. Bush's request would only bring defense outlays to 4.2% of GDP, or about 20% of total federal spending. That compares to 4.7% of GDP even under Jimmy Carter, and 6.2% of GDP in 1986 at the peak of the Reagan defense buildup (see bottom chart). Budgets are about setting priorities, and if Democrats agree that defeating terrorism is vital they will put it ahead of funding the National Endowment for the Arts.

    Or how about capping subsidies to farmers with incomes above $200,000? Senator Conrad could lead by example in accepting that White House proposal, and in return zero out Mr. Bush's $200 million political sop for state and local police.

    All in all, the fiscal news is so good that the tax hike lobby has had to do a bait-and-switch and fret about the "long-term." Somehow this wasn't a priority when Democrats and Republicans alike were trying to kill Social Security reform in 2005. But all of a sudden penury is said to be right around the corner. Well, Congress could always reform those programs, but don't hold your breath. Mr. Bush is proposing a very modest $96 billion reduction in the growth of Medicare and other entitlements over five years, and Democrats are already outraged.

    The best news in yesterday's budget may be that Mr. Bush seems to be rediscovering some fiscal nerve. His proposals won't raise taxes, while using the power of the market to combat problems in health care, and putting a tight leash on domestic discretionary programs. Defense gets the bulk of spending increases, as it should in a time of war. Maybe we'll finally get a debate over national spending priorities.

    www.wsj.com
     
  2. hotballa

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    Being that it's an article on Bush from the WSJ, I'll give it the same amount of respect as you would give an article on Bush from the New York Times. I think that about makes it even.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
  4. El_Conquistador

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    Well, it comes as no surprise that the libs couldn't mount a defense to this information. I guess if it's not negative news, then they just don't care. I guess they don't like the facts getting in the way of their Bush-is-bad-for-the-economy slander, lies and falsehoods either.

    Telling...
     
  5. SamFisher

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    No, people just don't like you.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    its easy to shrink the deficit when you set the record.
     
  7. F.D. Khan

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    Glad to see that investment into the PEOPLE, has reaped
    rewards for our nation!

    Keynes gets a thumbs up as lowered taxes and increased spending
    jump started our economy. Now the additional tax revenue
    must be used wisely to pay down our deficit. We've had 4 years
    of market (S&P 500) gains in a row that produced a great deal
    of that tax revenue. As four years of strong market returns is not
    sustainable, we must cut spending now to maintain a reasonable
    debt ratio.

    I may have certain disagreements with the administration in other
    areas, but the economic policies have been strong and helped us tremendously to recover from a recession.
     
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    Seriously

    When we get back to a balanced budget with a surplus then maybe we'll have something to cheer about.
     
  9. F.D. Khan

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    PERCENTAGES? A basic math lesson.

    If I have $100 dollars and owe $10, versus you have $20 and owe $5,
    who is in better shape??

    In your world you're in better shape. By the way would you like
    two shiny nickels for a quarter? Because two is MORE than one!
     
  10. SamFisher

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    D-con, if you want to give lectures to the truly naive you should start by lecturing those people who think the office of the President controls GDP in any meaningful way.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking
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    Going forward, I will be pointing any liberal whiners to this thread when they attempt to trash Bush on fiscal policy. You have your chance to defend your criticisms of him right here. You have failed to mount ANY defense of your hollow complaints. No surprise.



    D&D Gotta love it when you shut the lying libs up with facts
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    in 03 and 04, the deficit as a percentage of gdp were some of the highest in years since wwii. only matched by some regean deficits. but thanks for the math lesson jerk.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    they were also matched by some bush 1 years.
     
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    "The news Mr. Conrad won't broadcast is that over the past three years the federal deficit has shrunk by 58%."

    It is only saying Bush is cleaning up his own mess. What about way before that? Can we compare it to six years ago please???
     
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    translation: i beg you, please oh please post in my thread !
     
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    tj must get validation through attention from liberals.

    It's a little sad.

    tear
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    that's the point I was trying to make, his deficits were records, and they were large percentages of gdp.
     
    #17 pgabriel, Feb 7, 2007
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