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Seriously, how is Dick Cheney not in jail yet?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ari, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. Ari

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    Is there a more slam dunk case of political corruption and criminality? The only reason I can think of is that this guy has a lot of very powerful friends in key positions who are protecting him, and even those who dont like him are scared of him or upsetting his friends, especially those in the intelligence community who are apparently fans of his.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091030/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cheney_cia_leak
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    Or maybe you are mistaken and there are no grounds for charging him.

    Perhaps the people who make these kinds of charges against Cheney are overcome with Cheney Derangement Syndrome.

    Just to give you a different perspective, I honestly believe Cheney is probably the finest and best Vice President this country has ever had. Bar none.
     
  3. Dubious

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    how'd his ass taste?
     
  4. MojoMan

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    What is the matter with you people?

    Unbelievable.
     
  5. Ari

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    I dont hate Cheney or anyone else, but I find it hard to believe that anyone would contest the fact that he is the most corrupt VP in our nation's history. This guy had no ethics whatsoever, his attitude was incredibly anti-democratic and he hinted at least a couple of times during his tenure that he did not give two hoots what the average voter thought, that he would do whatever he felt like doing (and he did). Libby was the sacrificial lamb, there is no doubt Cheney is the one who should be behind bars now.

    You should also know that my father is a die hard Republican supporter and I have voted far more for Republicans than Democrats in the past. I probably lean right on most important issues of the day, and I am rather hawkish on most defense and foreign policy issues. I am not bleeding heart liberal.
     
  6. PointForward

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    you're freaking unbelievable,

    You come in out of nowhere, and you start spewing your stupidity and nonsense in the D&D, which reminded us all of an infamous member who had similar antics. Greatest VP of all time? really? that cannot be what you really believe right? You're either coming in here and saying outrageous stuff to get attention, or you're just pulling our leg and putting on a Colbert-like sarcastic show, which would make you the greatest clutchfan of all time.
     
  7. Ari

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    Well he is right about one thing: Cheney was the most powerful VP ever. The guy had reach beyond anything we have ever seen and he basically redefined what a VP can do. It is probably not a stretch to say we had two chief executives in the last administration.
     
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    :eek:
     
  9. MojoMan

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    I honestly know of no legitimate grounds for suggesting Cheney is a criminal, or that he should be in jail.

    Do you have any doubt at all that President Obama and Attorney General Holder would enjoy nothing more, and I mean nothing more, than to publicly humiliate and destroy Dick Cheney? If there was any legitimate basis for bringing charges against Cheney, there is a 100% probability that this President would being pursue it.

    Clearly, there do not appear to be any.

    You have offered up some vague assertions about the certainty of his guilt, but nothing that really holds up under scrutiny. Once again, if any of the assertions that you propounded were legitimate grounds for pursuing criminal charges against Dick Cheney, you know that Obama and Holder would be all over it.

    And I hope that no one will embarrass themselves now by trying to suggest that Barack Obama is just too post-partisan to engage in this clearly partisan activity. Obviously, nothing could be further from the truth.
     
  10. MojoMan

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    It is increasingly clear that expressing opinions that deviate from liberal ideas of politically correctness are not well tolerated on this board.

    Your suggestion that I have been spewing stupidity is just partisan vitriol of the smallest kind.
     
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  11. MojoMan

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    Exactly right.

    Except for the last sentence. Cheney was a second level executive of a type we have never seen before in this country. But he was not a co-chief executive, however popular that suggestion might be with Kieth Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and others of their ilk.

    Cheney was not initially interested in the VP nomination, because he did not want to spend four or eight years attending foreign funerals, and flying around doing whatever it is that Joe Biden has been up to. He agreed to accept the role under the condition that he would be an active, involved, hands-on member of the Bush Administration. George Bush agreed, and clearly was good at his word.

    Cheney played a critical role in national security issues after 9/11. During that time, the United States suffered no further terrorist attacks, and the infrastructure was put in place that has helped to keep this country safe to this day. What other VP has ever done more for this country than Dick Cheney? Your point is very well taken - Cheney was very powerful, unprecedentedly so, and that truth factors significantly into my evaluation that he was the greatest VP this country has ever had.

    I believe history will ultimately bear this evaluation out. We will have to wait for at least 20 years, and probably more than 30 years. By that time, we will all have had enough time to cool off, and then we will be able to look at Cheney's contribution rationally and hopefully without the partisan rancor.
     
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    how do you feel about puppies?
     
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    What in the hell.

    I honestly think this..., well, have a little dose of your liberal political correctness, this is the most r****ded thing I have ever seen.

    Yay, let's give the Cheney-Bush Administration a medal for NOT f***** up and permitting the biggest terrorist attack of all time on American soil because it didn't happen. Well, again. Might as well mention that they were using dubious and possibly unconstitutional actions that lead to one of the most unpopular American administrations of all-time, both domestically and internationally, and domestic security was the only thing you could think of, because speaking of anything else would probably be a huge fail (massive recession and job loss, failure to handle Katrina, initiators of two terribly misplaced and wasteful wars etc. etc.) This is seriously like rewarding a cop for shooting an innocent guy in the face and then giving him a medal because it never happened again. Terrible.

    Failure to kill Osama Bin Laden.
    Failure to find alleged WMDs.
    Failure to [fill in the blank]
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    Precedent, or prosecutorial lack thereof, limited relevance with respect to other Justice Department issues, and the presumption on the part of several citizens, and other administrators now in his former position, that his actions were for a greater good. And the very strong likelihood that current adminstration officials regularly, albeit secretly, still seek his counsel.

    Tough call prosecuting former Chief Execs or VPs, very close to the Third World habit of trying and executing them with each new regime.
     
  15. MojoMan

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    Thank you for at least being willing to admit that this is the source of your commentary.

    Seriously, I appreciate that.
     
  16. Dairy Ashford

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    I still wonder why, when he was heading Bush's running mate committee, they couldn't get anyone, anywhere to agree to come on the ticket with W. I guess I keep forgetting how skeptical everyone was of a Bush win at the time.
     
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    your post makes no sense at all to me

    but eh, no problem I guess.
     
  18. MojoMan

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    After watching Al Gore fill the Vice Presidential role for eight years, there was a strong perception among capable Republicans that this was a job for idlers. Nobody wanted to take the job and waste four or eight years of their life. That perspective was regarded among those on the right as a legitimate concern - nobody was surprised that capable people did not find the position of Vice President attractive.

    Initially, Cheney reacted the same way. He did not want to waste four or eight years of his life in a ceremonial position. But he was able to negotiate a role for himself that I believe will set the standard for Republican Vice Presidents for a long time to come.

    Whoever the next Republican Vice President is can be expected to negotiate for a role that is quite a lot larger and more substantial than what Joe Biden has. And that only makes sense, if you ask me.

    Why would we want to under-utilize a leader who is presumed to be equipped to take on the role of President of the United States? We should not. The Vice President of the United States should be kept busy.
     
  19. CometsWin

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    Is this really your supporting evidence because that would be a lot of people's evidence against him. On the most important national security issues of our time, Cheney was proven wrong time and again.


    "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003

    "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003

    "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Nov. 7, 2003

    "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
     
  20. aghast

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    Fomented a needless war under false pretenses, using fabricated intelligence. Ignored our relevant laws and treaties to torture prisoners. Held American citizens without due process of law.

    There's plenty more, but that's enough right there.

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