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Senhub or Point Sengun?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by foggy94, Oct 24, 2025 at 10:02 AM.

  1. foggy94

    foggy94 Member

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    With Fred out I hoped to see a much higher usage for Sengun as a play iniator, and I envisaged this looking like 'Senhub' where Sengun operates out of the post with ball movement, cutting and shooting around him. Instead we got something different, which I looked at in my new blog post.

    https://www.teaandrockets.com/post/point-sengun-might-be-about-to-invert-basketball

    Against OKC he had18 drives and just two elbow touches and barely any finishes as a pick n roll man. He seemed to play as much in the backcourt as he did in the front court, at times bringing the ball up and slicing through the defense in isolation, looking more like James Harden than Nikola Jokic.

    Is this sustainable and if so does it depend on the shot? Is it the best way for him to play, is it even intentional or just Sengun freewheeling and figuring it out on the fly?
     
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    Reed was having trouble getting the ball up so that might have been part of it. He seems to be an undersized shooting guard instead of point
     
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    İme has never been a fan of Senhub. He will get ball handling, playmaking from Sengun but probably not in the form of Senhub.
     
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    Watching Sengun handle the ball near mid-court makes you hold your breath.
     
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    It's because it's a more advanced style of offense having the main distributor in the post. Ime's clearly one of the most conservative offensive coaches around, he runs one play. Pick and roll at the top of the arc. We don't even really throw a wrinkle into it.
     
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  7. Entropy

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    I don't see why we can't do some flex offense action with an Amen-Sengun pick and roll. Obviously **** the Jazz, but Sengun could play the Stockton role and Amen the Malone. Sengun is a skilled and smart enough passer, and Amen's athleticism is off the charts and his jumper will improve. They sliced apart teams with simplicity. Just drill them on the different PNR variations and they would be unstoppable.
     
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    That’s true for every single one of our rotation players. Nobody has a great handle. KD couldn’t even dribble into a shot when catching outside the 3PT line.

    Aaron Holiday is probably the only guy with a decent handle, but he doesn’t have the vision.
     
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    Do you guys remember the way Sengun used to hit KJ Martin on back cuts?

    Insane we’re not utilizing that part of his game. When you watch Nugget games you can see like a 3rd of Jokics assist are him standing still at the top of they key while a screen cut action is ran for a wing
     
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    At least you have time to hold your breath. With Jabari you don’t even get to hold it.
     
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  11. Entropy

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    I always said that KJ was the best cutter we had and it was a shame he was gone. His best career year was with us because he was feasting off of Senguns passing.
     
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    We simply need an offensive coordinator. İme gets a free pass because Amen and Sengun are so versatile and hard working, good learners but still we are not a good offensive team and probably will be more apparent in the playoffs.
     
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    Charles Barkley used to back toward the basket while dribbling, but he did it from the wing. Sengun does it from up top so he is vulnerable from all sides. I was always taught to play offense facing forward as much as possible so you can see opportunity. Nevertheless, he scored 30+ points (not sure how efficiently) and we were one late missed free-throw away from another overtime...
     
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    My perception of Sengun in the PnR last season is that FVV "unlocked" him in that regard.
    In games FVV missed, Alpy was less effective in PnR action.

    One of the keys for Sheppard's development will be how well he can run that action with Alpy. And that then allows an inversion with Amen hitting the lob threat position (or Capela can fill that spot?)
     
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    I think there's so much potential to an Amen/Sengun 2 man game in general tbh. Hell, move that P&R to a side instead of directly at the top of the arc and you get more mismatches with those 2. You've got Sengun rolling into the low post...Amen can pop for a mirange, roll a second time back door where we already know Alpi can create, Alpi can cook and all the while 2 defenders are bbq chicken and the help's coming from Bari or KD (if it's set up right) which is even better...Basic stuff that most of us who played probably ran in high school but they just don't seem to have any flexibility or creativity at all. We're running 2 bigs and you're telling me we can't figure out that a 2 screen play with Amen gives him so much space that literally nobody in the league can catch him? He's like a massive version of Westbrook who's as fast as Fox and almost as bouncey and strong as LeBron. It's crazy how **** our offense actually is. Just hiring a good coordinator could make us nigh unstoppable.
     
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    I would take Ataman over the current coach.
     
  17. Entropy

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    Yeah this one on one stuff we've been doing just won't cut it in the playoffs. We'll win a few battles and lose the war. Ime either learns now or learns later. He better hope KD can close for us.
     
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    It's annoying that we just can't seem to ever have the kind of offense like Golden State (**** them) have where the defenders are rushing to try and close out to the wide open shot all the ball movement created. From the later Harden years (as fun as it was watching him individually beat entire teams over and over) to now we always just seem to play some crap P&R or one on one that never makes the defense have to move at all. I'd kill for them to hire somebody with some chops who could teach them to force the defense to rotate out of position consistently.
     
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    I was about to say the same thing! GS have the greatest shooter of all time on their team and yet, like you said, they still have a disciplined offense that keeps everything flowing and gets players easy shots. If they were able to do it, there is no excuse why we can't implement something similar that's tailored to our strengths. Relying on superstar brilliance can only get you so far. MJ was MJ but still needed Jackson's Triangle offense to win his rings.
     
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    I think the key point for me is we don't do anything in the gameplan that's designed to create easy shots. We can do it sometimes spontaneously but it's not built in like it seems to be for so many other teams. We don't even need "plays" but we need stuff to actually happen, whether it's motion or ball movement or off-ball screens/cuts. We can't just really on a simple P&R attack to collapse a defense, we should be seeing the opponents chasing our guys to try and contest and we just rarely ever seem to see that consistently. It's infuriating that GS are the ones who are so good at it too, I can't lie. I really ****ing hate that team. Like it's a blood feud. If I was a business owner and they came in they wouldn't get served. **** them guys.
     
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