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Scum of the Earth: John Edwards and the Trial Lawyers

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This should clear up many of the liberals' misconceptions regarding the usefulness of trial lawyers. These people are leeches who suck the lifeblood out of hardworking American businesses. They destroy jobs. They deflate stock values. They postpone Americans' retirements. They bankrupt small business owners' dreams. And they fund John Edwards' campaign. There is more to this man than a fake tan and a phony, manipulative smile. Read on to find out:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108958319746360741,00.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    Edwards & Co.

    By WALTER OLSON
    July 12, 2004; Page A16

    John Edwards famously proclaims to all comers that he has no apologies about the cases he handled as a personal injury lawyer, which has not quite sufficed to prevent some of his best-known cases from coming under critical scrutiny.

    In a Jan. 31 New York Times article, Adam Liptak and Michael Moss explored doubts about Mr. Edwards's lucrative specialty of blaming infants' cerebral palsy on mistakes by obstetricians, in particular their reluctance to perform caesarean sections. (C-section rates have skyrocketed under pressure from such suits, yet rates of cerebral palsy do not seem to have dropped as a result.)

    In a Feb. 25 National Journal column, Stuart Taylor Jr. criticized Mr. Edwards's successful bid for $4 million in punitive damages against a trucking company after a crash, on top of $2.5 million in compensatory damages, Mr. Edwards's argument being that the company's practice of paying drivers by the mile had encouraged recklessness. (When he read the relevant passage of Mr. Edwards's book "Four Trials," Mr. Taylor happened to be sitting in the back of a taxi whose driver, like most cabbies, was being paid by the mile, an arrangement seldom deemed unconscionably careless.)

    The Kerry campaign -- now trying vigorously to soften its running mate's business-bashing image -- counters that whatever grumblings may be heard from docs and other sore losers, Mr. Edwards at least wasn't the kind of plaintiff's lawyer who really gives the bar a bad name. He never sued whole industries in class actions, they've been pointing out, or grabbed big fees in cases where clients got peanuts. They might add that even his most vocal critics have not charged Mr. Edwards with using unethical means to chase business, or signing up people to sue who weren't really injured, or steering cases to "special" jurisdictions where he had a cozy relationship with the judge, or exploiting ties to political officials to shake the legal plum tree.

    No, it's not Mr. Edwards who's done all those things -- it's many among his chief backers. What scares the daylights out of his business adversaries isn't just that Mr. Edwards is a seasoned trial lawyer who decided to switch careers, in the manner of Orrin Hatch, Ernest Hollings and others. It's that from day one he's been at pains to construct a tightly organized fund-raising and electoral machine whose dominant figures, with scarcely a known exception, are wealthy plaintiff's lawyers like himself. In fact, most of his key backers are drawn from the tiny handful of tort lawyers even more successful than he, sometimes by orders of magnitude. Mr. Edwards is estimated to have quit with $38 million, but that's pocket change to many veterans of the tobacco and asbestos wars.

    Who are these men? A sampling:

    • Fred Baron. The Dallas-based lawyer, a key Democratic kingmaker, served as the Edwards campaign's finance chairman, and his firm of Baron & Budd was the senator's No. 2 donor; some see him as the Smiling One's single most important backer. A former president of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, he's already moved up to co-chair the key group coordinating Democratic and Kerry efforts, the Kerry-Edwards Victory '04 committee.


    Mr. Baron also personifies many of the worst abuses of the asbestos litigation, which has already inflicted dozens of bankruptcies on American business and whose price tag is expected to spiral to $275 billion or more. Twenty years ago, the focus of this litigation was cases filed on behalf of seriously ill plaintiffs against companies that had played an important role in the asbestos trade; now, the docket is dominated by apparently unimpaired plaintiffs suing companies whose involvement with asbestos was comparatively peripheral. No firm is more closely identified with this shift than Baron & Budd, which has drawn fire from some plaintiff's firms (not to mention defendants) for its zeal in signing up outwardly unimpaired clients who then absorb money and court time that might otherwise have been devoted to the seriously ill.

    It gets worse. In 1997 a junior Baron & Budd lawyer inadvertently handed over to opponents a 20-page memo entitled "Preparing for Your Deposition," which revealed exactly why the firm's clients so often testified in ways helpful to their legal case. "It is important to maintain that you NEVER saw any labels on asbestos products that said WARNING or DANGER," the memo advised. "Do NOT say you saw more of one brand than another, or that one brand was more commonly used than another. . . . You NEVER want to give specific quantities or percentages of any product names. . . . Be CONFIDENT that you saw just as much of one brand as all the others. All the manufacturers sued in your case should share the blame equally!" By dint of strenuous lawyering, Baron & Budd managed to weather the ethical firestorm, and Mr. Baron still defends his firm's conduct as lawful and proper.

    • John O'Quinn. Mentioned as a possible gubernatorial candidate in the Lone Star State, the Houston-based contingent-fee king is another of the senator's crucial Texas backers. (The state's Democratic Chair Charles Soechting, the first state party chair to endorse Mr. Edwards, happens to practice law at Mr. O'Quinn's firm.) Admired for his ability to control the emotional tone of trials, Mr. O'Quinn has regularly taken numbingly complex cases, including dry financial disputes, and emerged with awards that magically add a zero or two to the expected number on the damage form.


    Ask the Dow Corning company of Midland, Mich., which recently emerged from bankruptcy after the spurious but wildly successful breast-implant litigation, of which Mr. O'Quinn was the chief impresario, reaping tens of millions even as science refuted the notion that silicone was causing autoimmune disease. Defendants complained that they couldn't get fair treatment in the Harris County courts, to whose judges Mr. O'Quinn had been a major contributor; the Texan's run-ins with disciplinary authorities over the use of "runners" to attract business have also been well publicized.

    • Tab Turner. Probably the best-known player in suits attempting to blame car crashes on automotive defects, the Little Rock-based Mr. Turner arouses unconcealed loathing from Detroit: In 2000, Ford V.P. for public relations Jason Vines called him "one of those sharks out there who think they've found the keys to the ATM" -- the sort of language one almost never hears from company PR operatives. Mr. Turner, whom a future Kerry/Edwards administration would do well to consult before picking a NHTSA administrator, has been closely identified with keeping alive the widely scoffed-at theory that subtle design flaws, especially in cruise control systems, cause "unintended acceleration" in cars. Coupled with the controversies over breast implants and the origins of cerebral palsy, this may keep life interesting for Kerry staffers who've been developing the theme that serious scientists prefer their candidate.


    Mr. Turner's firm was responsible for one of the chief embarrassments to hit the Edwards campaign, when a law clerk stated publicly that firm higher-ups had assured staffers that they'd be reimbursed if they donated to the senator's White House run; the Justice Department's Public Integrity Section opened a criminal probe. Mr. Turner himself, puzzlingly, spoke to reporters as if he hadn't realized that the practice was unlawful. The Edwards campaign promptly announced that it was returning $10,000 in donations, which still leaves Turner & Associates as Mr. Edwards's No. 5 donor in the Center for Public Integrity's tally. Reporters have found a nationwide pattern of paralegals and office administrators at other law firms maxing out, even though some weren't registered to vote and others had lately suffered bankruptcies and other financial reverses. (All sides deny wrongdoing.)

    • Paul Minor. A key early backer and the 10th-ranked donor to Mr. Edwards's campaign, this former president of the Mississippi Trial Lawyers Association has been distracted lately by his indictment over charges of extortion, fraud and bribery in an influence-peddling scandal at the Mississippi Supreme Court. Trial is scheduled to begin Aug. 16 in Jackson. Mr. Minor denies all wrongdoing.

    Famously unapologetic, the Edwards campaign merely shrugged this spring when Sen. Kerry's press secretary assailed the North Carolinian's White House bid as "wholly funded by trial lawyers." More remarkable yet was how Edwards's spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri had earlier responded to similar sniping: "We have no problem if 100% of our money came from trial lawyers." On the relatively few issues on which Mr. Edwards has taken a high profile in the Senate, agenda items for the trial bar (e.g., blocking limits on future post-terrorism lawsuits) have comprised a high share. There's every reason to believe that the men behind Mr. Edwards have a clear expectation of entering Washington next January as victors, and closer to the center of power than they've up to now dared to dream.

    Mr. Olson, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author of "The Rule of Lawyers," just out in paperback from St. Martin's.
     
  2. wouldabeen23

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    LOVE IT...Neo-Con's are TERRIFIED...SHAKING IN THEIR COLLECTIVE JACK-BOOTS...Honestly T.J., does populism sare you that much??
     
  3. Mulder

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    Corporate America will always do what's right when they make a defective product and take care of me when I can no longer work or provide for my family or lose a loved one because of their negligence...

    Good One, CON_QUESO_DORK. :rolleyes:

    You wanna talk shady donors?

    Enron contributed $736,800 to George W. Bush over the past eight years, his single largest contributor. Of the twenty largest contributors to George W. Bush's Presidential campaign, fully half had major links to Enron; indeed, five of his seven largest seven contributors were connected to Enron.

    Vinson & Elkins, a Texas law firm, is number two. Vinson & Elkins is Enron's law firm.

    Number four among big donors is Anderson Worldwide, corporate parent of Enron's accounting firm, Arthur Anderson.

    Morgan, Stanley, Dean Witter & Co. is number five. Morgan Stanley was a major investor in Enron's LJM2 subsidiary. The chicanery of LJM2, of course, played a truly major role in necessitating Enron's $1.2 billion in restatement of shareholder equity and its overstatement of earnings by nearly $600 million - the proximate causes of its implosion and bankruptcy.

    Many of the US firms which won lucrative Iraqi reconstruction contracts are major donors to President George W Bush's political campaigns, according to a new report.
    The report, by pressure group the Centre for Public Integrity (CPI), claims that most of the contractors gave more money to Mr Bush's 2000 presidential campaign than to any other in the last 10 years.

    COMPANIES GAVE MORE THAN $5 MILLION TO BUSH/CONSERVATIVES: The 73 health care companies approved to administer the Medicare drug discount card programs gave President Bush and conservatives in Congress a total of more than $5 million in hard money, soft money, and PAC contributions.

    TWENTY COMPANIES INVOLVED IN FRAUD APPROVED FOR DRUG CARD PROGRAM: Twenty health care companies approved by the Bush administration to administer the Medicare drug discount cards have been involved in fraud charges, with many being forced to pay fines to federal and local governments because of their behavior.

    TWENTY COMPANIES INVOLVED IN FRAUD MADE OVER 60% OF CONTRIBUTIONS: The 20 companies involved in fraud charges represent less than a third of all the approved companies. Yet, they made more than 60% ($3.1 million) of the total campaign contributions from approved drug card companies to President Bush and conservatives in Congress.

    Think all the scum lawyers are automatically for Edwards? Think again... The second highest group, after retirees that donated to the Bush campaign? You guessed it:

    Lawyers/Law Firms
    $5,948,854

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  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I think the mutual smear campaigns are rather ridiculous...they seem to preoccupy a lot of people more than debating the important issues at hand.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Don't forget Jorge: the malevolent threat caused by trial attorneys requires a treatment, which is us pricey defense attorneys!! Muhuhahahaha, one hand washes the other.

    It's funny though to watch the conservative press respond to its marching orders on Edwards by rote: Trial Lawyer! Trial Lawyer! Trial Lawyer!

    That's the best you guys can come up with on Edwards? That is so Devils Advocate/1997. Isn't there some intern you can libel or something?

    Slipping.

    By the way, who here would trust Walter Olson, the man appears to have a dangerously unbalanced predeliction for dancing:

    http://walterolson.com/local/musicdance.html

    is this kind of madman we want shaping our opinion? Dance Enthusast! Dance Enthusiast! Dance Enthusiast!

    EDIT: It's even worse than I feared:

    accordion player! accordion player! accordion player!

    The choice is yours america, trial lawyer or accordion player?
     
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  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The manipulation of testimony, the buying of judges, the attacking of corporations who had little to nothing to do with the asbestos issue, and the attack on automakers and doctors are things I find particularly damaging to the economy as a whole. I think the best news that will come out of this campaign is that trial lawyers will have their camouflage lifted and people will begin to recognize the damage that they inflict on a country. Healthcare, stock market, jobless claims, insurance costs, corporate profits, small business profits, consumer prices, the list goes on and on of interests that are negatively impacted by these greed and extortion machines.
     
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    typical, edwards, one of your sworn enemies, is a trial lawyer, so now you hate all trial lawyers. Good thing Wes Clark isnt the VP, otherwise you would blow up due to an infinite paradox.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    So TJ, I'm waiting of your condemnation of our President.

    of course if you would like to refer to the info I included in the other website which shows that malpractice suits and damages incurred don't cost the companies more you are also welcome to go there.
    http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80363&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

    Meanwhile you can believe or not believe the statistics that the lawsuits damage the econmy. But if they are so bad then I will be happy to read your condemnation of our president for suing a rental car company over a fender bender.
     
  9. Jeff

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    Well, at least this thread title isn't inflamatory or anything! :D
     
  10. Mulder

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    Neo-Cons can't run on Shrub's record so they attempt to paint an extremist picture of the Dem VP's chosen profession.

    The desperation in the air is palpable.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    You guys can press a couple buttons and cut the poo flinging in half around here whenever you decide you're ready.
     
  12. Mulder

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    Afreakingmen
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't think you're responsible for half of it...maybe a third! :)
     
  14. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Indeed!
     
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  15. KingCheetah

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    Let's see "Trader" gets served so he starts an inflammatory thread to distract from his humbling defeat... Slatowned

    "Trader" your order of humble pie will be right out.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    You're certainly right that I have nothing but vitriol for bigots. I actually think they are the scum of the earth, not members of any particular profession. But if the tone here wasn't so consistently nasty, I'd dumb down even my colorful language against racists, mysoginists and homophobes. While you're still posting, I hardly see the point.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    TJ, hater of frivolous lawsuits. ARe you ready to condemn Bush for the suit against Enterprise over a fender bender yet? I see you are still posting in this thread. I'll be happy to read that condemnation.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Great article. An oldie but goodie.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200401270836.asp

    The Trial Lawyer’s Shtick
    John Edwards's platitudes.

    CONCORD, N.H. — "I'll be honest with you about something," Sen. John Edwards tells a group of employees at a leather-goods manufacturing shop here, as if he is about to let slip a secret he rarely confides to anyone — despite the presence of dozens of TV cameras. "I don't think I can change this country by myself."

    Oh, really? You mean it might actually take the support of voters to change the country? Edwards, who has become a media darling and will carry his fight for the Democratic nomination to the south in coming weeks, regularly unlooses such crashing platitudes. Like this: "I believe we shouldn't look down on anyone." Or this: "This election is about the future of the country."

    The wunderkind former trial lawyer with the gorgeously hair-sprayed bangs and soft, winning southern accent combines the synthetic sincerity of Bill Clinton and the condescension of Al Gore. He is the most insulting of all the Democratic presidential candidates, both as a matter of presentation and of substance.

    He believes that voters are too thick to realize the affectation behind his lavishly open and caring stump style. "Now, I'm just asking," he tells his listeners here. "Does it make any sense to you — I'm just asking now, I don't know what you think about this — does it make any sense to you for us to be spending Social Security money on tax cuts?" Of course, he wouldn't be asking if he didn't know exactly the answer that his stilted question — one of his favorite stump tactics — will elicit.

    Howard Dean believes that voters are angry enough to revolt. John Kerry believes that voters are sophisticated enough to pick the most-experienced candidate. Edwards believes voters are helpless victims, beset by "special interests" that have stolen their democracy and evil corporations that are making their lives miserable through high drug prices and insurance premiums.

    This is a populism with a distinct trial-lawyer cast. Anything that companies do to make a profit is basically a crime, and Edwards is going to go after them, just as he did as a trial lawyer in the medical-malpractice cases that made his $12 million to $60 million fortune. Edwards makes no notable call for self-reliance or individual responsibility, since in his worldview people basically aren't up to it.

    Edwards calls his rap "optimism," but it is deeply pessimistic in what it says about our individual capacities to fend for ourselves. It is dishonest besides. His tale of how corporate special interests dominate Washington is infantile. Corporate interests work partly to protect themselves from other interests, including trial lawyers.

    Edwards leaves this out of his anti-special-interest speech, which is odd given that the litigation industry has been the nation's biggest special-interest giver since 1990, larding half a billion dollars on federal campaigns. One listener here asks Edwards where he gets his money. The candidate assures him that he voluntarily eschews lobbyist and PAC money, but "I do raise money from individuals." This is a laughably shifty response.

    No other Democratic candidate gets a greater percentage of his campaign money in big $2,000 donations — the legal limit — than Edwards does. More than half of his campaign contributions come from law firms. As a populist like Edwards might put it, the candidate is "bought and paid for" by the trial lawyers.

    Edwards harps on rising health-care costs, not mentioning how his friends and contributors have enriched themselves contributing to this problem. The rise of often bogus medical malpractice suits and huge jury awards has forced doctors out of business and driven up their insurance rates, making for rising health-care costs generally. So, Edwards is campaigning on a crisis that his comrades have exacerbated. Pretty nifty, huh?

    He has made it work for him so far, with his battery of leading questions that are meant to show his exquisite empathy for audiences. The question Edwards leaves unasked is the most important one: "You can't see through my shtick yet, can you?"
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    That was a good article. I like the part wher the article states

    Since nothing in any candidates speech or proposals would give a thinking person that idea, it appears to be the author's own invention. It's hilarious. In fact all the attacks in the article are personal, and none of them substantive. Perhaps those are the only tactics conservatives have, since the issues clearly aren't on their side this election.

    Well the politics of personal destruction seems to be in full play, and this article is a great example of that. Long on personal attack, and short on examining issues and candidates positions.

    Hopefully when I'm done posting this, TJ I'll be able to ready your condmenations of Bush's suit against enterprise.
     
  20. Mulder

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    Good thing Bush had trial lawyers working for him...

    THE American presidential contender George W. Bush is taking legal action against a satirical Internet website that lampoons his allegedly misspent youth. The case that may test the limits of both free speech and the candidate's sense of humour.

    Mr Bush, the Texas governor and front-runner for the Republican nomination, took particular and predictable exception to a faked photograph on the website that shows him with a straw up his nose, inhaling lines of white powder, beneath the headline: "It's the hypocrisy, stupid."

    Allegations that Mr Bush took drugs in the past have bedevilled his campaign, and when questioned about the website, Mr Bush reacted furiously, insisting "there ought to be limits to freedom" - a remark that he has since had cause to regret.

    Mr Bush's lawyers warned Zack Exley, the 29-year-old computer programmer from Boston who designed the site, that he faced a lawsuit for using copyrighted photographs lifted from the official Bush campaign website.


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