Screw the point

i guess


even if we do get a point or dont we will still have no depth. this sux. CD get to work. We are screwed every way possible.

 

the bulls had PGs that can shoot...paxson...BJ...kerr. and all 3 came up big in clutch situations. that's all we need...a serviceable point guard that can knock down the open J or occassionally hit the clutch shot.

HELLO, MR. FISHER

 

the bulls never had a point guard? john paxson, bj armttrong, steve kerr, ron harper - all legitimate nba point guards.

what was the one thing that killed the Rockets last year? Turnovers, and sloppy ball distribution. and you say we can just run Pike out there? Have Pike or Nachbar bring the ball up and teams will press us and we'll have only 12 sec left on the clock by the time we get into our sets. It'll never work. We don't need a big name point guard but we definitely do need to have a legitimate nba point guard out there.

 

I disagree, this is the Western Conf. you just can't settle for less.
The Rockets have to put the best possible team on the floor.

 

Disagree. Point Guards are as important in the NBA as QB's are to the NFL. I want a player who can:
1. bring the ball up quickly and set up
2. protect the ball
3. make crisp well-timed passes
4. execute plays
5. spot up and shoot
7. hit a decent percentage of twos and threes
8. play defense
9. make steals
10. lead a fast break

 

My biggest fear is Tyronne Lue will be very good, surprise the heck out of everyone, and then................................................


get rewarded with a big fat contract for eternity.

 

don't worry. you're fear will never happen:

just remember this visual image:

NBA Finals Lakers vs. Sixers:

Lue, the high energy guard that was the AI-stopper, falls down and then gets WALKED ALL OVER by iverson.

Doesn't say much about anything but dangit...that was sweet.

 

Saying point guards are as important in the NBA as QB's are to the NFL is a gross exaggeration.

Of the last 14 NBA championships, there has only been one point guard that has made an All-Star team the same year their team won the championship, and that's B.J. Armstrong. Actually, I'm not even sure of that. He might have only made it during the 1994-1995 season. Even for argument's sake, we will say he made it during th 1993 season too.

The only other main point guard of a championship team in the last 14 years that has made an All-Star game period over his entire career is Sam Cassell. And that happened 9 years after he won his last championship.

So basically, point guards being as important as QB's is not an accurate statement.

 

Care to guess the most assists any of these guys averaged for the Bulls during their championship years?

4.0- BJ Armstrong

The common thread between them- they all shot incredibly high percentages from the field (except for Harper). Armstrong, Paxson, and Kerr all put up 48-50% FG% during the championship years (Paxson even got up to nearly 55%!). Harper hovered closer to the 45% area.

I think we need someone who can fit the PG description, but not necessarily a "pure" PG. Someone who can take care of the ball and hit the open shot, pretty much.

 

Basically, our requisite for a point guard is a better version of Matt Maloney. A better outside shooter, turns the ball over a little less, and defends a little better. That's all I'm looking for.

Fisher, Jones, or Mike James. Give me one....at a good price.

 

yeah i don't think we need a pure point guard, whatever that means, but all those guys were point guards throughout their careers. They weren't first some wing shooters like Pike who then began to play the role of a point guard. They did not rack up eye popping assist stats but they were dependable, minimal mistake guys, who made efficient passes and who could handle ball pressure. I think being able to handle ball pressure is a difficlut task and not something just any player can do. Thats what we need, and pasox is saying Pike and Jimmy Jack can handle that, which when he says that I think he is severly underestimating the difficult role a point guard plays.

 

Yep. And the reason wont be because Lue is a "great PG." But rather that we have the McGrady/Yao duo that Lue can feed off. They make him better. The Lue/Sixers comparison (above) doesn't apply. We are not the Sixers. Different teams, different situations.

 

Sorry, I don't want a shooting guard (who did you have in mind?) running the point. No way! If you can find a "superstar" shooting guard that can pass (Barry? Too late). Go for it. And let me know who that is.

The fact of the matter is that when you are talking about role players, you don't want to force that type of player into a position that he's not accustom to playing. You could do much better, team wise, by getting a PG with "PG skills." The benefits on the court would outweigh the simple title of "point guard." Basically, what I'm saying is that the team "POINT GUARD" is NOT JUST A TITLE. It's an actually set of valuable skills.

Another thing, we wont be running the triangle offense. Something that allowed "non-PG" to play the point much more effectively under the Bull's offense (they were used as pivot passers, setup men, and spot-up shooters, rather than distributors). JVG runs a more conventional pick and role/high screen offense.

You'll need a competent PG for that.

That's very easy to say. But very hard to DO.

 

Well, except for our All-Star center and SUPERSTAR shooting guard. Where oh where will we EVER find some knucklehead to throw the ball to them?

 

We could, but why would we? We have the TE (which expires) and the MLE to use, thats more than enough to get a quality PG. I just don't see the point of sticking of not upgrading the position when we have the resources to do so.

 

I love this thread. This is the kind of unconventional thinking we need more of.

Think like Van Gundy. Draw up a list of the functions we need from somebody to play with Yao and McGrady. Then draw up a list of players who might perform those functions. Then line up their stats, and put them in order of preference. Then work your way down the list, offering a reasonable price for each, in terms of money or trade value.

I bet CD and Van Gundy have a lot of guys on their list we haven't even thought of, because they don't fit the PG convention. We had Pippen bring the ball up when Mobley and Dickerson were in the backcourt. We could easily do something like that again, with Jim Jackson or somebody else.

 

Will -
100% agree. A VG half-court offense initiator is basically about low TO's and hit the open shot with a solid dash of BB IQ and a reasonable price tag.

Although it seems like the Rox (after McGrady) are sitting on their hands, there are literally dozen of reasonably priced unrestricted FA's still available...

http://www.nba.com/transactions/movement2004_name.html

With Yao & TMac, flash is not a prerequisite.

 

That was the only thing he was famous for....getting walked over by A.I.