Does anyone have a scouting report on David Carr from when he was still with Fresno and before the 2002 draft? What was the general scouting report on him? How about his rating? What were the Texans actually saying about this guy before the draft? I just looked at the back of one of his football cards I have and found out he had 4,000+ yards and 30+ TDs during his senior season and asked myself what other QB's in college have similar numbers to those during that last year in college? I didn't keep up with the draft that year and just was curious. thank you.
Threw a good deep ball, with accuracy and tons of arm strength... had a funky motion... ran a pro-style offense at Fresno St. He was actually knocked on his mobility... which may be the best thing he has going for him right now. The bottom line is, David Carr needs to have good protection to be a great QB... some QB's can do more with less, but David cannot. In the games in his pro career that he has gotten good protection (mostly against horrible defenses that can't pass rush), I've seen him able to hit guys with precision, speed, accuracy, and in stride. Unfortunately, those moments are too few. If the Texans don't get better play out of their line this year, there's no point in having a QB with arm strength or one that can throw the deep ball... they'd be better served at a guy who can hit quick slants, quick outs, and dumpoffs, cause that's all they'll ever be able to run effectively. Dan Marino will then roll over in his grave.
He threw 46 touchdown passes, thats alot http://gobulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/carr_david00.html
Wow. thanks for yalls replies. Dude could bench 390lbs?!? He doesn't look it, but I guess that's why he's able to take such a beating everytime he's sacked. He could bench press defensive linemen. The report also said he was the sixth quarterback in NCAA history to throw for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Who were the other 5??????????????
Here's Joel Buchsbaum analysis of Carr. He gave Carr a higher grade than Michael Vick and every QB from the 99 draft. http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_qb.asp http://archive.profootballweekly.co.../draft_2001/printout1_041302.asp#Quarterbacks QB David Carr (6-3 3/8, 223, 4.8) Fresno State Notes: Backed up Billy Volek in 1997 and ’98 and redshirted in ’99. Took over as the starter in 2000 and got much better after a very shaky debut against Ohio State, when he seemed to lose his poise and threw four interceptions and some wounded ducks. Continued to improve in ’01. Won the Johnny Unitas Award, Western Athletic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and was a Pro Football Weekly first-team All-American in ’01, when he was fifth in the voting for the Heisman Trophy, although he played better than the four quarterbacks ahead of him in the voting. Completed 5-of-11 passes for 53 yards with no touchdowns and one interception in 1997, 22-41-228-1-1 in ’98, 216-349-2,729-23-12 in 2000, when he also ran for 83 yards and four scores, and 308-476-4,299-42-7 in ’01, when he ran for 90 yards and five scores. Completed 35-58-531-4-2 vs. Michigan State in the Silicon Bowl but threw two costly picks and was not as effective playing catchup late in the game as he had been in the first half. Positives: Excellent size. Good all-around athlete. Top competitor. Legitimate tough guy. Has tremendous poise. Really stands in against the rush. Well respected by his teammates and coaches. Mature and confident without being cocky. Has improved by leaps and bounds and became a franchise-type player on the college level in ’01. Even in Fresno State’s three losses, he put up big numbers and got his team into the endzone. Excellent passer with a very strong and generally very accurate arm. Has good timing and anticipation of receiver. Makes some incredible throws and can really thread the needle. Can throw every pass in the book and really zing the deep out. Sets up well and has a lightning-quick release. Generally throws a nice, tight spiral. Can throw the touch passes. Reads coverages and shows good judgment. During the ’01 regular season had a 42-7 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Played very well against teams from major conferences and in the biggest and best games on his team’s schedule. Made his teammates better players and got the ball into the endzone. Had a strong practice week at the Senior Bowl. Negatives: Semi-sidearm, unusual, three-quarter throwing motion. Has a very low release point, about shoulder level. Will get balls batted down, which could be huge problem, since so many teams use so many three- and five-step drops. Is basically a line-drive passer and might be better off if he put more air under some of his throws. Is not quite as mobile as you would like and is not a super athlete and improviser. Average scambler and is no Donovan McNabb as a runner. Can be inconsistent throwing the ball. Will force some and make some bad reads. Was brought along beautifully by the Fresno State staff and has not faced a lot of adversity, so you cannot be sure how well he can handle it. Did bounce back from the Ohio State disaster in 2000. In Fresno State’s two regular-season losses in ’01, he was in a position to lead John Elway-type comebacks but did not do it. Summary: Has a chance to become a premier NFL quarterback if his release point does not lead to too many problems and he is brought along and utilized correctly. Could be the type of player you can build a team around if he is developed correctly.
Carr had an unbelievable senior season, he had good arm strength and accuracy but like VY, had a side arm delivery. As far as the numbers, you can't dispute them, they are unbelievable. However, Fresno State plays in a relatively weak WAC conference. Also, like Alex Smith last year, Carr may have been a overrated because of the lack of QBs in the draft.
They might have looked at Joey Harrington, but it was Carr. I think the deal was set in place more than a week before draft day.
Carr does not read defenses well. He panics under pressure. Other than that he can make all the throws and does a good job of running when he has open field. Unless they can coach his playmaking ability he will be an average to below average QB. I haven't seen anything in the preseason so far that is any different than the last 4 seasons.
Except for the half year in 2004, where he played at a pro bowl level due to the coaching staff coming up with an offense that could fit this anemic/pathetic offensive line. No single player is above the quality of his team in this league... especially not a QB. There's a ton of hot shot QB's who couldn't do anything useful with their tools (despite playing on some good/non-expansion teams)... namely, Jeff George, Todd Marinovich, and Ryan Leaf. There are also the QB's who were barely drafted, left for dead, but happened to stumble upon the right system for them... namely, Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. There are tons of reasons to criticize Carr... but there's also legitimate points that defend Carr's lack of development. I just hate the idea that any one guy could have come in here and be a "savior" to the excuse of a team that was assembled as a "4 year plan" of Casserly/Capers.
Agreed, but I find it Ironic that people were not concerned about his sideways release of the football, but were concerned about VY and his sideways release, when VY is MUCH bigger than Carr. DD
I think people were very concerned about Carr's sideway release... but they still knew he could hit receivers with zip, accuracy, the deep ball, and with all the arm strength you'd ever need. They weren't questioning how the ball looked once it came out of the hand... just the delivery itself. The concerns with Vince were that he threw sideways.... along with the questionable accuracy, problems hitting receivers in stride/throwing behind guys, etc. It was a combo of his true passing ability along with his motion that people were harping on... not just the motion itself. What people don't realize is that with VY, you're getting much more than a QB... to expect him to be simply a passer back there is short-sighted, and wouldn't be reason enough to take him so high... he's going to be more than that. For both guys, however, their passing motion won't be their biggest obstacle. Carr got over the sideways motion with just a couple of weeks of training camp in his rookie year. Vince will get comfortable once Norm Chow tailors the offense around him (ie - dumbs it down to take advantage of Vince's athletic ability). In the end, both guys will depend a lot on how good their surrounding talent is.
Capers was a terrible coach. I'm so frusterated with the fact that carrs development wasn't a first priority. It looks like Kubiak is going to help david though.
True... but you can't fault a coaching staff's inability to develop a specific player, when the team wasn't built properly in the first place. Honestly, if they had to do it all over again, they would have NEVER selected a QB with their first ever draft pick. It doesn't work. They should have either gone for the DL or the OL help. Of course, getting the "sexy" pick created a buzz around the franchise... and many will say that they needed something to propel them into a new era. Even after the s*** hit the fan last year, there is still a buzz surrounding this team... and guys like Carr and AJ are household names despite not producing at a level that most household names do. The decision to draft Carr was to create a franchise icon out of thin air... I guess they succeeded in doing that, but if they wanted to actually try and build a team in 4 years... that was not the way to go. As it is, however, I do feel they'll be in good shape for the next 4 years without having to worry as much about skills position players.
