1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Scoot and Bucket 3&4 Blowing up this year!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. Downtown Sniper

    Downtown Sniper Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    6,584
    Likes Received:
    7,423
    Do you log in under different browsers on the same computer DD?

    Or do you have to use like your home computer for your main account, and a work computer for the other?
     
    UTSA2step, King1 and AroundTheWorld like this.
  2. marinara

    marinara Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2022
    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    265
    Hahaha

    apart from EG who I would have named if he wasn’t turning 34 a few months into the season who else has dons as much as KPJ in the NBA on the roster?

    I would hope Jalen does become the best player by the end of the season or KPJ at least continues his play towards the end of the season to at least still be in the discussion but the team has had the worst record for two seasons. John Wall was the best player while he played I guess, before Wood got traded it was him and right now it’s KPJ.
     
    maj21 likes this.
  3. AroundTheWorld

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    46,624
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    Neither Wall nor Wood nor KPJ were or are the best player. They just put up stats.
     
    RHU525 and King1 like this.
  4. durvasa

    durvasa (he/him/his)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    36,850
    Likes Received:
    14,074
    20/7/5 might be seen as MVP caliber 20 years ago, on a 60+ win team. Not in today’s league.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    57,712
    Likes Received:
    20,113
    You know you can like Sengun without having to attempt to tear other players down, right?

    No one hates KPJ like superfans of his teammates, doesn't matter if it's Sengun superfans or Green superfans....we'll have to check in on the Josh Christopher superfan to see if the disease has spread to him.

    It's so weird being a Rockets fan in this sea of player specific fans.
     
    maj21 likes this.
  6. AroundTheWorld

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    46,624
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    I'm just stating a fact. KPJ could be a good 6th man, but if he thinks of himself as "the man" on a level with Green (and he is clearly trying to position himself like that), then that will lead to problems.
     
    King1 likes this.
  7. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    57,712
    Likes Received:
    20,113
    That's hilarious.

    All of that conflict is happening in your head.

    The two are complimentary players that are friends both on and off the court. The Rockets are developing a team, there is no "the man". They are a collection of highly talented super young players that all bring different things to the table.

    Green brings freak athleticism and the ability to create his own shot and be a monster in transition and is a streaky 3 point shooter.

    Sengun brings a post presence and elite passing ability that few centers have

    Smith brings elite defense 1-5 and 3 point shooting

    KPJ brings a little bit of all of that...which is why he's currently the most talented player on the roster. He's not the best at any one area, but he can do it all.

    If Green develops some PG skills and has the ability to create for others as well as himself, we'll have 2 guards that can take turns slicing up defenses....and a center that can do the same. There's really no way to adequately defend that. "The man" would be whoever is hot that night. The burden of carrying the team wouldn't fall on any one player....which is the best for all of them.
     
  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    45,777
    Likes Received:
    16,522
    bullshit. He’s also two years older than Sengun and Green. Makes sense because he’s a veteran
     
  9. maj21

    maj21 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2021
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    443
    So please tell me who the best player on the team is! Also, why did the we put the ball in KPJ’s hands whenever the game was on the line? Sounds like the coaches believes he’s our best player as well
     
  10. King1

    King1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    11,426
    Likes Received:
    6,489
    KPJ's fans are slowly becoming like the LOFs used to be. Just absurd obsession over a mediocre player
     
  11. xiki

    xiki Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    17,098
    Likes Received:
    2,565
    How many teams are ‘tanked’? Rox could be well improved, competitive, maturing and still be in Bottom 5 come lotto luck nite.
     
    Corrosion and BamBam like this.
  12. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    7,491
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Yes, there was some extrinsic factors dictating things in the Rockets
    team makeup and mindset that kinda threw the whole grand scheme of things off
    kilter a tad last season. Some just look at the stats and assume everything
    was as the stats appear. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then
    its a duck......well maybe it's a decoy?

    I didn't see the T-Wolves enough to say they were tanking, but Ant-Man
    had KAT (5 yrs), Rubio (9 yrs) and DeAngelo Russell (5 yrs) helping.
    Our vets helping Jalen were C Wood, Eric Gordon, Augustin, House,
    Nwaba. Two of our main rotation guys in Wood and EG i often saw
    freeze out and not pass to Green. It was obvious to those who saw
    the game that Green was put in timeout for half the season and
    set into the corner as a spot shooter.

    Grant it the team tried to run PnR with Theis screening and Porter/Green
    learning on the fly to start the season.....spacing was an issue. Where
    Theis was a big part of the Celtics success about 3 years ago, defenses
    are too smart and now scheme well for Theis type numbers from 3.
    Teams just left Theis open and clogged the paint. Tate defender did
    the same. Rockets essentially had four defenders clogging the paint
    since Green and Porter didn't help matters by shooting poorly from
    3 to start the season. The only one bringing spacing was Wood
    (Sengun was not starting); but then Wood went on strike after game
    8 to force Theis out. Green tweaked his hamstring and it took the
    Rockets a long time to allow Green to open up on the highway
    again due to building up trade value of certain players.

    Ant-Man probably had much the same going on in year one.
    I feel Edwards was allowed to turn it on around game 40
    where Green was held back until after the All Star break.
    Definitely after top 3 losing record was guaranteed.

    I often compare the Rockets rebuild to the Hawks where they
    went from about 20 wins to around 42.....I didn't get my
    free agent(s) I was hoping for to get us in that range.
    But T-Wolves went from 23-49 in Ant's rookie season
    to 46-36 last season (Ant's second year). I'm guessing
    Rockets can get in the 30 to 35 range as is.
    ______________________
    Jabari is a perfect Pick-n-Pop player which will help
    Porter/Green/Christopher/TyTy get to the rim with
    greater regularity....or at least be greater threats of
    getting to the rim.

    Jabari is not much of a Roll Man in PnR just yet; but I
    don't feel he against working on that with our development
    staff. Unlike Dwight Howard and Christian Wood who I feel
    worried about sprained ankles way too much.

    Tari impressed the heck out of me with his ability to Roll to the
    basket in summer league. Catch and gather and get the ball
    in the hoop in traffic during summer league. It will be tougher
    in the NBA.....but the basics are already there and I'm anxious
    to see Tari with Sengun, Green, Porter, Christopher with the
    spacing provided (Green, Porter, Mathews, Bari).
    ____
    Jabari can shoot the corner 3; from there I want some Princeton offense
    where he can make back door cuts along the baseline. I envision Porter/Green
    or any facilitator driving and forcing the gravity of the defense on them while
    Jabari slashes to the rim from either corner for lob dunks. Just getting that
    6'11' frame with momentum towards the rim will be a weapon. And increase
    assist totals for everyone. Sengun in the post will hit a slashing Jabari
    coming from the weak side. It's going to be beautiful.

    Tari I feel can hit the corner 3 as well (from having no corner 3-pt shooters
    to possibly having two is tremendous to this offense). I feel Tari can be much
    the same as Bari from the corners. Read and react to the defense. Everyone
    gets their cues. If everyone reads correctly....this can be very fun seeing them
    in sync either hitting an open 3 or lob dunks from slashers with just a look.
    --------

    3-pt shooting: there is a fine line as to what constitutes a good
    3-pt shooter to a bad 3-pt shooter. 40% is good while 30% is bad.
    The difference is 1 more 3-pt made shot; from making 4 out 10 (good)
    to making 3 out of 10 (bad). Tari and Jabari don't seem afraid to shoot 3's.
    Which is what I want. I want them to have the guts to shoot 8 attempts
    a game each. Shoot it with confidence. Shoot 1000 a day. Become
    automatic. Second nature. Tate and Kenyon lack that confidence.
    Shooting just 3 a game doesn't cut it. Embiid, Tobias Harris, Jokic
    can shoot 3's with a decent a everage but shooting 40% from 3 and
    only attempting 3 a game is not earth shattering. It doesn't fear anyone.
    Now shooting 8 attempts a game at 37% or 38% worries teams more.
    *Side Note: I'm hoping Tate, Kenyon, Sengun come in this season and
    shoot the 3 better. In Sengun case, better from 3 than just the first
    20 games.
    --------
    Defense is where Tari and Bari can help immediately. Yes the rotations will
    be slow at first. But their length will alter some shots. Get deflections. Add some
    rebounds. Defensive rebounds count towards defense.

    DRtg and defense in general for NBA players is often more about who
    your teammates are. How is the help defense? Communication.
    Bari and Tari seem to add a bunch of talk and communication.
    Back tier defenders see the play and set up of the offense in front
    of them. Helps us point of attack defenders to have those eyes telling
    us where the screens are coming from and which side to favor.

    This will be getting really fun to watch.
     
    Rashmon likes this.
  13. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    7,491
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    @marinara

    After that long read, just a little side note.

    *I was hoping for Chris Boucher or Bamba or Mitchell Robinson or Myles Turner (trade)
    *Rockets supposedly we're looking at Center going into free agency.
    *We did not go "All Out" for said Center I suspect.

    Why?

    Are we "Tanking" again and don't want money tied up at the Center spot? Because
    we are somewhat reserving a spot for Wembanyama...
    (or Dereck Lively/Kel'el Ware as consolation prize)?

    Are we truly giving Sengun and Garuba a good look? Don't cramp the Sengun
    progress?

    Did we not want to take back bad contracts? Added payroll?



    Are we truly done "TANKING"?? [ I suspect not ]
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota 97er
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    117,185
    Likes Received:
    25,193
    I think they will both have a big year, I do think Ego needs to go though for the numbers to really pop.

    DD
     
  15. alethios

    alethios Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    7,947
    Likes Received:
    5,964
    EGo will be gone when the right situation presents itself. Rockets have shown great patience and loyalty to EGo for all he's done for the team.
     
    DaDakota likes this.
  16. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    46,007
    Likes Received:
    32,243
    I'll put it like this, same with Wood last year but a little different considering their age.

    Scoot better have a good year and put the team in a position to where they won't be forced to draft his replacement whomight actually be named Scoot, ironic enough.

    So we'll see. If the Rockets are better this year it'll be because KPJ matured as a player, his skills are already there, he just has to mentally put it all together and consistently there, if he does that, he can put the team in a position to contend for a play-in position...
     
  17. RHU525

    RHU525 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2002
    Messages:
    3,679
    Likes Received:
    4,544
    I just don't like how y'all corner Sengun into being a post player only. A lot of y'all compare him to Scola. But I actually see a lot of Ginobili in him. An asset of him being shorter than most bigs is that he's quicker and gets around them easy.

    Soo many of those behind the back drives and reverse finishes gave me Ginobili flashbacks. Not to mention his Ginobili like creativity and passing. That's what makes me soo excited about him. He's like Scola and Ginobili in one player.
     
  18. RasaqBoi

    RasaqBoi Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    15,471
    Likes Received:
    17,119
    I think rockets give him 4 years 75
     
  19. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,308
    Likes Received:
    5,664
    Dude that’s a mouthful. Ginobli is a straight up HOF.
     
  20. DasouthDakota

    DasouthDakota Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2009
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    317
    The two best players were Green and Porter.

    Yes, we understand Porter is a headcase, but he was better than Sengun, and quite frankly as far as raw talent goes, he is the most talented player on the team.

    Whether he can grow up and knock off the knucklehead stuff, that remains to be seen.
     
    DaDakota likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now