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Scientists trying to create life

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  1. dylan

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    Now this is really interesting. A gene scientist is heading a project to create a miminal-genome cell that has the minimum number of genes to reproduce and live...




    Scientists Planning to Make New Form of Life

    By Justin Gillis
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, November 21, 2002; Page A01

    Scientists in Rockville are to announce this morning that they plan to create a new form of life in a laboratory dish, a project that raises ethical and safety issues but also promises to illuminate the fundamental mechanics of living organisms.

    J. Craig Venter, the gene scientist with a history of pulling off unlikely successes, and Hamilton O. Smith, a Nobel laureate, are behind the plan. Their intent is to create a single-celled, partially man-made organism with the minimum number of genes necessary to sustain life. If the experiment works, the microscopic man-made cell will begin feeding and dividing to create a population of cells unlike any previously known to exist.

    To ensure safety, Smith and Venter said the cell will be deliberately hobbled to render it incapable of infecting people; it also will be strictly confined, and designed to die if it does manage to escape into the environment.

    More worrisome than the risk of escape, they acknowledged, is that the project could lay the scientific groundwork for a new generation of biological weapons, a risk that may force them to be selective about publishing technical details. But they said the project could also help advance the nation's ability to detect and counter existing biological weapons.

    The project, funded with a $3 million, three-year grant from the Energy Department, will start as a pure scientific endeavor, but it could eventually have practical applications. If Venter and his collaborators manage to create a minimalist organism of the sort they envision, they will attempt to add new functions to it one at a time -- conferring on it the ability, for instance, to break down the carbon dioxide from power plant emissions or to produce hydrogen for fuel.

    The more immediate plan is to try to puzzle out, and eventually model in a computer, every conceivable aspect of the biology of one organism, a feat science has never come close to accomplishing. Because all living cells are based on the same chemistry and bear striking resemblances to one another, that could shed light on all of biology. "We are wondering if we can come up with a molecular definition of life," Venter said. "The goal is to fundamentally understand the components of the most basic living cell."

    The project is not entirely new. Venter launched an earlier version of it in the late 1990s while running a Rockville institute he founded called the Institute for Genomic Research. With his collaborators, he got as far as publishing a working list of the genes apparently required to sustain life in a single-celled organism called Mycoplasma genitalium, the self-replicating organism with the smallest known complement of genetic material. That work indicated that under at least some laboratory conditions, the organism could get by with only 300 or so of its 517 genes. People, by contrast, have an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 genes.

    The project fell by the wayside when Venter and Smith launched Celera Genomics Corp., the Rockville company that raced publicly funded researchers to a tie two years ago in compiling draft maps of the entire human genetic complement, the genome.

    Venter resigned from Celera early this year in a dispute over its future direction. He is financing a series of new initiatives, including the Institute for Biological Energy Alternatives, the entity that will house a revived project to build the artificial organism. The $3 million Energy Department grant, awarded recently, will pay for a staff of about 25 to pursue the project over three years, though Venter and Smith acknowledged it could take longer. Smith, widely considered one of the world's most skilled scientists at manipulating DNA, will direct the laboratory work.

    The project will begin with M. genitalium, a minuscule organism that lives in the genital tracts of people and may cause or contribute to some cases of urethritis, an inflammation of the urethra. The scientists will remove all genetic material from the organism, then synthesize an artificial string of genetic material, resembling a naturally occurring chromosome, that they hope will contain the minimum number of M. genitalium genes needed to sustain life. The artificial chromosome will be inserted into the hollowed-out cell, which will then be tested for its ability to survive and reproduce.

    Ari Patrinos, a senior Energy Department administrator who will help oversee the project, said the organism was an attractive starting point to create a "minimal genome" because it is so minimal already. "We know even the simplest of cells is incredibly complicated," Patrinos said -- too complicated, at least so far, to understand completely. "This is a case where we're trying to cheat a little bit, to take the smallest and simplest and make it smaller and simpler."

    The project raises philosophical, ethical and practical questions. For instance, if a man-made organism proved able to survive and reproduce only under a narrow range of laboratory conditions, could it really be considered life? More broadly, do scientists have any moral right to create new organisms?

    A panel of ethicists and religious leaders, convened several years ago at Venter's request, has already wrestled with the latter issue. The group, which included a rabbi and a priest, concluded that if the ultimate goal was to benefit mankind and if all appropriate safeguards were followed, the project could be regarded as ethical.

    "I'm less worried about the minimal genome project taking off and creating some kind of monster bug than I would be, partly because I have a sense that the scientists are aware of the possible risks of what they're doing," said Mildred Cho, a bioethicist at Stanford University who was chairwoman of the ethics panel.

    Scientists don't usually announce their experiments in advance, but Venter said he felt this one needed to be brought to the attention of policymakers in Washington, since it could create a new set of tools that terrorists or hostile states might exploit to make biological weapons. "We'll have a debate on what should be published and what shouldn't," Venter said. "We may not disclose all the details that would teach somebody else how to do this."

    Venter and Smith acknowledged the theoretical risk of creating a new disease-causing germ, but said they would take steps to ensure against that. One of the first genes they'll delete is the one that gives M. genitalium the ability to adhere to human cells. Many of the 200 genes to be deleted will be ones that confer the ability to survive in a hostile environment, so that the end result will be a delicate creature, at home only in the warm nutrient bath of a laboratory dish.

    Even if the organism were to escape stringent confinement and enter the environment, Smith said, "it's a dead duck."

    © 2002 The Washington Post Company
     
  2. BobFinn*

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    I can just see it, 20 years from now, after half of the Earth's population is wiped out: "We thought we had taken every precaution. This was not supposed to happen."
     
  3. mr_oily

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    I have one question...WHY?!:confused:

    Does anyone remember the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles"?
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  4. RunninRaven

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    Don't these scientists watch movies? They are going to doom us all!
     
  5. MadMax

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    why do this?? just to say you can??? aren't there more worthy issues and problems we could be using these bright minds for???
     
  6. B-Bob

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    Stupid scientists! Why don't they get back to their roots: destroying life!

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    Thank god we'll have an army of clones to fight off these infectious organisms.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    maybe sometimes u have to create to destroy

    they destroing it's ability to attach to human cells
    MORONS . . .WE EAT OTHER THINGS THAT IS COULD KILL!!!
    not
    to mention MUTATIONS!

    Rocket River
    they really need to be on the space station . .. .the one NEAR MARS!!
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Ummm... Rocket River, have you been spending a little too much time in a laboratory, or underground, ... or in an underground laboratory? You're starting to sound like Renfield.

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  10. MacBeth

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    ...................and so it begins.


















    If that wasn't melodramatic enough, re-read it while re-playing some kind of suspensful movie music...duh-duh-duh-duuuuum...
     
  11. dylan

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    MadMax (and others), did any of you read the article? It says pretty clearly in there why they are undertaking this project. To put it bluntly, we just don't know how even very very basic cells work. Since almost all cells share most basic processes (ie how DNA replicates, how cells metabolize nutrients) the hope is that by learning what it takes to make a minimal cell to grow we can find out how other cells grow. Possible applications range from finding out how to stop cancerous cells from growing to encouraging neural tissue regeneration. I don't know about you but I consider those worthy issues and problems...
     
  12. MadMax

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    fair point, dylan...i didn't read as deeply in the article as i should have before commenting...
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    My sarcastic jokes aside (but what would be left?), I am actually all for the research. I know some people who study basic cell division, for instance, because (if I understand it) cancer begins when a cell doesn't transcribe its DNA properly during division. A cancer cell is missing some important genes that tell a cell when to die and when to quit dividing. So these fundamental types of experiments are needed if we want to make progress against things like cancer, IMHO.
     
  14. JayZ750

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    Exactly. And even further, the point of science, really, is to learn. Why do any of it, if not to gain knowledge and advance scientifically, technologically, and even ethically. Can we really even be ethical if we don't know all the questions to ask to determine whether something, for that matter, life, is ethical?

    It is all very deep. Personally, I'd rather live in simpler world and smoke a pipe every night and not have to worry about anything. But human nature, it seems, strives off advancement, and with that comes problems, but with the problems come solutions to the problems and solutions to problems we don't even know we have yet. Did you read the part about designing organism that will essentially take certain air pollutants out of the air. That would be amazing! To think, evenutally it would be expanded to all air pollutants, then land pollutants, then water pollutants. One day int he future people may be asking themselves if its ethical to make the world so clean
     
  15. Ubiquitin

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    Wow
    Wow
    Wow
    Science truely is amazing.
    In 100,000 what's to say this new life doesn't become the new humans by evolving?
     
  16. B-Bob

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    Could happen, but it has the same odds as yeast or e. coli becoming the new humans. Roaches or ants have even better odds, I'd think. And I think 100,000 years (or 998,000 from now) isn't enough time for evolution to take so many steps. But I guess that's plenty of time for humans to have wiped ourselves out. :(
     
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    Knowing Venter, I'd dare say that if they made any findings, he would move quickly to patent it and claim everything for himself, so the global institutes have to bow to him.. After all, that's what he did the last time - screw the research institutes. I hate Venter..
     
  18. Chance

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    Scientists? **** I got flippin 2.4 from SF freakin' A with a horsesh!t degree in Speech/Communications and I can make life.

    All I had to do was bang my wife. Poof. A life was formed. Not only was it easy...IT WAS FUN!!!
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    I'm sure the secret to making life is more complicated than a 6 pack of Coors and the back of a 78 Camaro...

    How much more is up to debate. :p
     
  20. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Yao Ming proved that a species can evolve in less than a month. That's science!
     

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