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School shooting - at least 5 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. bigtexxx

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    Prayers for the victims.

    Is it time for common sense gun control in Canada?

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/americas/saskatchewan-la-loche-school-shooting-canada/index.html

    Five people are dead and an alleged shooter is in custody Friday after gunfire erupted at La Loche Community School in Northern Saskatchewan, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said.

    Two more people are critically injured, he said.

    "Obviously this is every parent's worst nightmare," he said, calling it "a terrible, tragic day."

    Clearwater River Dene Nation Chief Teddy Clark described the shooting as devastating in an interview with The Star Phoenix newspaper.
     
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    yeah, that's what happens when you try to cherrypick a tragedy to pick political points and play with anecdote rather than deal with aggregates.
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    but in answer to your question, hell yes there should be measures taken to enforce better gun laws now that the Conservatives are out of power--but if Canada needs to enforce better gun regulations, I'm not sure what that says about a country with more than 2x the gun deaths per 100,000.
     
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    Quality ****post.
     
  5. bongman

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    5 people died :mad:
     
  6. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    Northside Storm is using misleading stats (from the super-biased Mother Jones of all sources).

    Another poster fact-checked this with data that showed another story. Somebody pull that up, TIA.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    What would be ironic is if the weapon came from the U.S, you know the whole 'Chicago has strict gun laws but so many gun related deaths... but a **** ton of those firearms come from non-vetted gun show sales in Indiana' thing.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    Kinda like how some of Mexico's gun deaths are from US-sourced guns?

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  9. Northside Storm

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    You're incapable of even reasoning on an aggregate, statistical level, so I'm not surprised you'll need somebody else to even pull up the data.

    https://www.researchgate.net/public..._States_With_Other_High-Income_Countries_2003

    The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher. The US firearm suicide rates were 5.8 times higher than in the other countries, though overall suicide rates were 30% lower. The US unintentional firearm deaths were 5.2 times higher than in the other countries. Among these 23 countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States, 86% of women killed by firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to 14 killed by firearms were US children.
    The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides, firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is not out of line with these countries, but the United States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.

    Homicide, Suicide, and Unintentional Firearm Fatality: Comparing the United States With Other High-Income Countries, 2003 (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public..._States_With_Other_High-Income_Countries_2003 [accessed Jan 22, 2016].

    Contest that, and find bias in those figures.

    Acknowledge the fact that if Canada has work to do, America has a whole lot more.

    You can't even use a tragedy for political ends the right way, dawg. not looking up for you.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    Scumbag thread. Typical bigotexx.
     
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    I lol'ed
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    You mean Operation Wide Receiver under the previous administration?
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    not even a good try from you. GREATLY expanded under Obama and Holder.

    Nobel peace gonna peace
     
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    Great post. I am sure BiggiT will counter with Canada's gun homicide rate. LOL. It's like loudly celebrating a 3 ptr when your down 40.

    Somehow, "gun control" is interpreted as a proposal to eliminate gun violence so..." See it doesn't work too". I don't get it.
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Mother Jones is a very biased source, remember.

    According to the FBI, the US is ranked 111th out of 218 in terms of per capita murder rate.
     
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    Are you saying this to show how high our murder rate is relative to other first world nations?
     
  17. jo mama

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    and of course you are the paragon of impartiality!

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    Mother Jones is a source of truth in a money driven world. Their agenda is driven by higher moral ground than self-interested greed.
     
  19. B-Bob

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    1. I'm no fan of bigtexxx but I don't see a huge difference in him posting this Canada tragedy versus some people posting American gun tragedies and calling for more gun control (even though I agree more with that take). Yeah, he did it in a snarky way to upset people, asking about Canada's need for gun laws, but the basic impulse is the same.

    2. I don't think a gun in Saskatchewan (sp) needed to come from the US. Lots of guns in Canada already, especially in the hinterlands.

    3. My reading of the stats says about 5x gun deaths in US per capita compared to Canada.
     
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  20. CometsWin

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    There's a huge difference. This is the typical conservative tactic of pointing out the exception as evidence of the general rule being invalid. It's Facebook conservative debate 101.
     

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