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Scary plays against Utah reminiscent of Yao's injury

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sloth, Apr 3, 2007.

  1. Sloth

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    I know maybe the title doesn't make sense, but I couldn't figure how to word it.

    Basically, I was watching some of the replays on the highlights video on the main page of clutchfans and I noticed something that really scared me.

    About 3 times or so during the game, Hayes (or maybe Battier) came over to take a charge. Those were at 8:35, 7:00, and 6:05 left in the video. The good news is that he got the call. The bad news? He almost landed on Yao's leg on each play. Yao was going up for the block and it looked just like when Hayes took the charge on Tim Thomas back against the clippers. One of the plays in particular looked scary. They showed on above the backboard replay and it showed Yao just moving his leg in time before Hayes came crashing into it.

    I just thought that the Rockets need to take a look at this because Yao needs to be careful. I don't blame Hayes. He is doing what he is supposed to and he can't see that Yao is coming over for the block. Yao is the one who needs to notice if someone else is already going to take a charge. Then he needs to just go up for the rebound. If that play against Tim Thomas never happened, this would be a whole different season (better or worse is debatable). But i think it is clear that if Yao got injured again, then the season would be over.

    Yao, please be careful! You were great in that game and we need you now more than ever!
     
  2. declan32001

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    You can't play the game worrying about geting hurt. Of course, things happen that routinely scare the heck out of me, but you just live with it.
     
  3. kkuu

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    I think Yao have to do this at that time. No choice.
     
  4. bladeage

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    Yea i remember seeing that, and i stood up cuz from where i was sitting i was sure he slid into Yao's knee.
     
  5. Sloth

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    Yeah, I agree with that. But when you're big like he is and have slower reaction times, you have to be prepared for potential situations. As much as it is great that he is blocking shots (those were 4 nice blocks), if he gets injured again, then the season is over. One play is just not worth it. And, it happened 3 times in one game!

    He just needs to see that Chuck is coming over for the charge. Taking that charge will bother the shot enough so that they will likely miss, even if no foul is called. That way, Yao can get the rebound.

    Also, TMAC doesn't go to the lane like he used to because he doesn't want to get his back injured. I mean, I know he isn't shooting well right now and that going to the hole would open things up for him on the outside to maybe get him going. But, a healthy TMAC that shoots jumpers and passes the ball is better than an injured TMAC on the sidelines.

    When you are as important as Yao and TMAC and you have a history of getting injured in a certain way, then you need to prevent that injury from happening again.
     
  6. Glan

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    Good Observation! Hope Yao be aware of it.
     
  7. James23

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    yao: don't jump! we don't want to see you land on battier or hayes and injure your ankle or knee.
     
  8. beyao

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    Yeah, I noticed this exact same thing ever since Yao came back.

    And YES, it is absolutely something he and the team should be aware of and definitely strategize about. This is not some freak play, this is part of the ROX defensive scheme...and if not checked, it could systematically cause injury to one of our stars. They need to talk about this and work it out, that's without question.
     
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    i was just thinking, that if this happen so many times, what if that tim thomas play, was just a freak accident?
     
  10. tsunami

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    This thread deserves 5 stars. Someone please let Rockets coaching know.
     
  11. SonKhan

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    Hayes is an out of control player. While he plays with alot of energy and hustle he is very limited in the talent area. The only way he can compete is to be everywhere and to put himself in positions where he can create problems. However, all that being said, he is is not able to control his body in a professional manner.

    He has caused 2 injuries this season to major players...both centers...Shaq and Yao. Basically these guys are too big to move quickly away from a flailing body like Hayes when he flys out of control.

    Just ask any professional ballplayer. They refrain from playing against non-pros in the summer time because guys are always out to prove something to them and in their attempt to beat or compete they play in a way that puts other people at risk. Fonde has even made adjustments that keep pros away from want to be's.

    Hayes is pretty entertaining but he is careless with his body and there were a few times in the Utah game where he was on the floor in the paint. It is only a matter of time before he injures someone else.
     
  12. Hayesfan

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    So basically, you want Batt and Chuck to stop taking charges if they are near Yao, who lives in the paint?

    Chuck and Batt both took two charges in the game against Utah - of course one of them was called a foul on Batt, but that's besides the point - which gave us a scoring opportunity and took one away from the other team.

    Yao knows where they are on rotation, and he knows that if the person is driving that they are going to take the charge. The reason he was hurt was when Chuck went down on the charge Tim Thomas rolled up and the two of them ended up under Yao.

    I can understand yall being nervous, but do you honestly think that JVG is going to say, "Chuck, Shane, everyone is nervous about people on the floor around Yao, please stop coming over on rotations to stop the drive to the basket ... just move aside and let them have it, if Yao can't block it we concede the points."

    In that case you have to discontinue all charge calls... what if Yao trips over someone trying to take a charge from him. Or what if Yao is going up for a rebound and someone tries to take a charge from Tmac and they fall underneath him. To borrow a phrase from Spock... "It's illogical"

    It was an accident, yes it was scary, yes its nervewracking to think it might happen again, but you can't tell either of them to change something that they are doing right for the 1 in a million chance that they same injury will happen again on a charge call.
     
  13. metalshred

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    Yao plz protect urself! We can't risk to lose u once again! It hurts!
     
  14. qrui

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    c'mon, read before you post. sloth clearly stated ...

     
  15. Hayesfan

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    Sorry, I should have been more specific when I posted my response, I wasn't replying to sloth :) I was replying to Sonkhan.

    I think Sloth is absolutely right... Yao should be aware (which I think he is)

    But saying that Chuck is out of control isn't true, because he isn't the only one taking charges under the basket. Shane takes them and Juwan (though not as many) is now taking them too. So if Chuck is out of control then all three of them are.

    Do we say Mutumbo is out of control because his elbows happen to be head height for everyone else?
     
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    i thought the same thing. Especially when collins was on him. I got the feeling that a little dirty play by utah (nothing new) could and probably should be expected come playoff time.
     
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    Yao needs to be more discriminating about going for shot blocks against the good rebounding teams like Utah. We can't give up second chance points like we did on Sunday.
     
  18. Queeni

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    Good point. I was worried about it too. It was part of the defense strategy, and the coach staff should figure out a way of avoiding it systematically.
     
  19. gatornation

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    Great observation.
    This is the kind of messages this BBS needs most. Not like those stupid threads like I want XXX back or Trade A for B or Is C really good?

    Do something useful to your beloved team.
     
  20. Sloth

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    Thanks a lot! As you've noticed by my low post count and almost 5 years of membership, I don't post very much. But I read many threads every day. The reason I don't post very much is because the majority of the threads are just like you said with drivel about fantasy trades and stuff like:

    "what if we had the MVP olajuwan with the Portland Drexler under JVG and TMac was the 3 with yao at the 5 and Steve Francis at the 1? Man, we would be an AWESOME TEAM!!"

    Anyway, I was watching the highlights and saw that play happen 3 times in one game and it seemed more than a coincidence that Yao got injured. Basically, if we keep that up, he's bound for an injury like that every year.

    This is one reason why I hate flopping. (I don't blame hayes and battier again because they don't usually flop. They are genuinely getting knocked over and you need to stop the offense from just driving to the basket with reckless abandon). But, several times in that game, Utah players would flop on off the ball screens and they got some calls for it. Anyone remember the Jarred Collins flop on Mutumbo? It happened at the 2:30 time left on the highlight video. Basically, Tmac made that basket and then Mutumbo was trying to get into position for the rebound and Collins just flopped and both 7 footers fell to the ground and collins got 2 free throws out of it and made both. For one thing, it sucked because it basically negated that basket by McGrady. But also, it sucked because you have two huge guys going to the floor and what if rafer or luther were there standing facing the other direction? They could get seriously hurt by players falling down all the time.

    That is the reason why the league is suspending kobe for swinging his arms while going up for the shot. It is a dangerous habit for other players, even if he usually doesn't make contact. Players flopping all the time on off the ball screens is dangerous for other players on the court. I mean, when someone has the ball, you can kind of expect a charge or flop. And you should be paying attention to the ball, so you can prepare for it. But for a screen that is behind you and not on the ball, you won't even see it and it could break an ankle or something.

    Anyway, long story short, I hate some unnecessary flops that players do and seeing the way yao got injured from a charge by hayes (again, I don't blame hayes because it wasn't a flop and it was a good play), others could get injured in the same way from a flop. Jerry Sloan, I hate you for preaching flopping throughout the years!!
     

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