[SB Nation] Basic Stats Primer: Kevin Martin vs. Tracy McGrady

Yeah, I am looking forward to seeing him in a full season wearing Rockets Red. Certainly an under rated player as he is highly efficient.

 

Martin is a better finisher or shooter, but not a better offensive player. Martin doesn't have 1/10th of Tmac's play making ability, and he doesn't draw nearly as much defensive attention from opposing teams as Tmac used to.

 

thats very true

 

Is that all?

This author is pretty much on JCDETON's level.

 

Cmon dude, don't flatter JCDenton.

 

usually tds is better than this but this was pretty superficial and common knowledge for most rockets fans about martin's ts% in fact its often touted as one of the primary reason why Morey was so after him

 

He's a hack who doesn't even have graphs. Don't compare this novice to me.

 

One thing I've always been curious about is how T-Mac would've shot given a true supporting cast. He lacked that in both Houston and Orlando, so he took A LOT OF bad shots. I know T-Mac will never come close to Martin's efficiency(which is awesome even compared all NBA players including the past), but I think he gets too much flack for his lack of shooting.

That said, even with good players around him, T-Mac could still be a ball-hog who would take a bunch of low% 20 footers regardless of his teammates. But at least it would've been fun to see.

 

Technically, he HAD that supporting class two years ago when Artest was around. Certainly he never had a chance to gel and he wasn't playing up to T-Mac level (then again, he hadn't for quite some time), but from what I saw he wasn't quite as effective because having such a better cast required him to move a lot more on offense without the ball, which he was fairly adverse to doing.

 

Yet this does nothing to shut up those who think kevin martin is a middle-of-the-range player, which includes many people on this board. same with some of the clutchfans folk who have wandered that way.

I figure this is going to be greeted with a bunch, 'well if you don't like it well you can get out!' a la south park, but whatever.

 

Sounds like a typical Tracy apologist too me. Sure his teams in Houston and Orlando were never good enough, too get pass the first round? And, regardless of his ball-hogging, "it would have been fun to see"??

I had all the fun I could handle in the time he was here. And his not good enough supporting cast, made it to pass the first round while his but was a distraction all year; pulling himself in and out of the lineup and predicting the Lakers would be in the finals. Sorry but "No".."thanks"...

Maybe he"ll find a better supporting cast in other city. Good luck T-mac.

BTW, I like the stats. Sounds like the kinda stats Morey relies on.

 

although I think Martin is a better player for this system of our rockets I do not believe he is a better offensive player or will ever be a better offensive player than T-mac.

T-mac's iq > Martins
T-mac's vision/passing ability/assists > Martin's
T-mac also made ttthhhe best entry passes to yao in the post something I don't think martin can do.
You could also count on T-mac (04-06) when your team desperately needed something in a offensive drought.

What Tracy could do for this team on O during his first few years put him leaps and bounds above a 60% True shooting percentage....jus sayin'.

 

This. C'mon now everyone here must agree our very own JCD is on a whole 'nother level.

Wow, I can't believe this guy spent so much time just trying to compare their TS%.

 

Martin and Tmac are a whole 'nother animal. Kevin Martin is a pure-breed scorer, and incidentally he's one of the most efficient scorers the NBA has ever seen.

As a scorer, Tmac isn't elite, but at his very peak he did a lot of things at an extremely high level and I think the Stats showed that. He defended really well and was basically the best point-forward in the league for some time. Combine that with his above-average scoring ability and you had a very good player.

 

I must say this is the first time anyone has said I'm a T-Mac apologist.

And I was speaking of his prime years, before 2008 when he officially turned into a little p***y. You can call him a ballhog or a 1st round virgin all you like, but he was a top 5-10 player for a while with the Rockets. And while he had lots of defensive help, there were few players who can share the load offensively.

So yes, I would've liked to see how T-Mac would've fit into our current offense, say Yao/Scola/Ariza/T-Mac/Brooks lineup. One where T-Mac can play more of a facilitator, or even off the ball, than he had in the past.

 

flawed assessment. a prime tracy faces double and triple teams, was forced to take the last shot as the clock winds down, and usually takes much tougher shots.

and injuries really hurt his fg% as he never shot over 43% since the 04-05 season.

but kevin martin is a better fit for adelman's offense. tracy mcgrady was a better fit under JVG.

but a prime tracy is much better than a prime martin

 

You lose....no one has ever won back to back NBA scoring titles without being an "elite" scorer.

 

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This is what separates McGrady from Martin. Don't get me wrong, I think Martin is the man, but he doesn't have that X Factor.