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Say bye-bye to the Taliban, pieces of Al-Qaeda

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RocksMillenium, Nov 23, 2001.

  1. RocksMillenium

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    People were worried about more planes being flown into buildings, anthrax, small pox, nuclear weapons, Afghanistan handing us our rear end on a platter. Instead the U.S. just went in and took care of business, quickly and decisively. Afghanistan and friends wanted to start a little trouble, and the United State just took it to another level and they couldn't keep up. I can't wait until the U.S. gets a piece of bin Laden and Al-Qaeda's @ss.


    http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39302,00.html

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    Anti-Taliban Forces Besiege Kunduz
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    <b>BANGI, Afghanistan — Anti-Taliban troops advanced on the militia's last northern stronghold Friday while commanders from both sides hammered out the remaining details of the Taliban's surrender of Kunduz.</b>


    <i>Northern Alliance forces took Aliabad, a town just east of Kunduz behind Taliban front lines, without a fight, Daoud Khan, spokesman for the opposition in Takhar province near Kunduz, said. The Taliban fighters there, under the command of Fazl Haq, turned themselves in, he said.

    Simultaneously, forces loyal to the alliance's Gen. Rashid Dostum advanced on Taliban positions from the west of Kunduz. Dostum said he was sending the fighters toward Kunduz only to prepare for the Taliban surrender.

    Dostum, a key leader of Mazar-e-Sharif, said Friday evening that the surrender of Kunduz "is settled."

    "Tomorrow we will have another meeting to work out the details of the handover," he said. "On Sunday, the Taliban should surrender to us and hand over the prisoners."

    But Sarwar, another alliance commander on the opposite side of Kunduz, said Dostum's forces had broken through Taliban front lines in heavy fighting and were "making progress" toward the city. His report could not be confirmed, and other commanders said there was no fighting in the area.

    After taking word of the surrender deal back to their fighters in Kunduz, Taliban representatives to the talks, including Deputy Defense Minister Mullah Fazil Muslimyar, returned to the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif on Friday to finalize details, a northern alliance commander said.

    Khan predicted an even quicker resolution, saying his troops would move toward Kunduz on Saturday to disarm the Taliban and arrest all foreigners — some 3,000 Arabs, Pakistanis and others loyal to Usama bin Laden.

    "We will go to Kunduz to disarm the people, because Mullah Fazil promised he would surrender and he promised he will hand over the foreign fighters," he said.

    According to alliance commanders, the surrender deal would give Taliban fighters from Afghanistan free passage out of Kunduz, but would imprison the foreigners. They said the foreigners would be placed in camps until the alliance and the U.S.-led coalition can deal with them, but ruled out turning them over to international courts.

    "These foreigners have committed criminal acts in our country. We will not hand them over to the United Nations or any other country. They will go on trial in Afghanistan, in our Islamic courts," said Daoud Khan, a senior commander near Kunduz.

    The United States has insisted that suspected members of bin Laden's Al Qaeda network not be allowed to go free as part of any deal. Many of the foreigners in Kunduz are believed to have ties to Al Qaeda.

    Statements by front-line commanders Friday indicated the depths of their hatred for the foreign fighters — and the uncertain future that could await those fighters if they surrender.

    "If they surrender to the Northern Alliance, we will kill them all. They invaded Afghanistan," said another officer, Amanullah.

    The foreigners fear a repeat of the summary executions that followed the alliance's takeover of Mazar-e-Sharif and Kabul, the capital. In Geneva, the Red Cross said Thursday it had recovered 400 to 600 bodies in Mazar-e-Sharif but would not say whether they were killed in fighting or executed.

    A senior alliance commander, Atta Mohammed, said he assured the Taliban that none of their troops would be mistreated.

    Fierce battles broke out around Kunduz on Thursday after a 10-day lull, but when word of the Taliban's promised surrender filtered back to the front line, the fighting eased.

    U.S. B-52s and attack jets conducted fairly heavy bombing along Taliban-held ridges surrounding Kunduz Friday afternoon.

    A Taliban spokesman in Kunduz told the Afghan Islamic Press that dozens of people were killed by American bombs Friday. The report by the private Pakistan-based news agency could not be confirmed.

    The U.S.-led coalition launched attacks on the Taliban in early October for their refusal to hand over bin Laden, the main suspect in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States. The Northern Alliance swept the Islamic militia out of almost all the north and took Kabul, the capital, on Nov. 13.

    A surrender in Kunduz would leave only one major city — the southern base of Kandahar — in Taliban hands. The Taliban have vowed to fight to defend their spiritual base and the surrounding provinces.

    In other developments:

    —Taliban spokesman Syed Tayyab Agha denied reports that the militia's leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, had fled to the mountains and turned over power to a deputy, according to the Afghan Islamic Press. Ethnic Pashtun opposition leaders also said they understood Omar was still in Kandahar.

    —Efforts continued to arrange power-sharing talks for a post-Taliban government next week in Bonn, Germany. Afghanistan's exiled former monarch will send two women and six others reflecting the country's varied ethnic makeup, the king's grandson said.

    —British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw traveled to Pakistan to shore up support for a broad-based government to replace the Taliban. He met Friday in Islamabad with Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf and with Francesc Vendrell, the U.N.'s deputy envoy to Afghanistan, to discuss an interim government for Afghanistan.

    —The first of six U.S. Air Force aerial refueling aircraft to be used to support humanitarian operations in Afghanistan landed Friday at the airport in the Bulgarian Black Sea port of Burgas.

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  2. Dr of Dunk

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    People should still be "worried" about every one of the things you stated. If they're not, then they're falling into the trap of security terrorists want you to fall into before they launch another attack.

    As for Afghanistan wanting to start trouble, I'm not about to condemn an entire country for the actions of an organization such as al Qaeda. This is exactly the labelling that I find disgusting in the workplace, in the media, and generally on the streets today. Somehow this has turned into a war against Afghanistan. That's BS and an insult to so many citizens there that never wanted the Taliban, the US, the murderous al Qaeda, etc. to even bother them.

    Don't get lackadaisical and think "everything's back to the way it was"... you're being suckered into feeling the way terrrorists would love to have you feel.

    I want bin Laden in pieces, too. :D
     
  3. RocksMillenium

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    No, no, no Everything will NEVER be the way it used to be. That's obvious. But people were so worried about what Afghanistan (meaning the Taliban not the entire country considering the rebels are working with us) was going to do to the U.S., and how they were going to make the U.S. regret they were ever born, and this and that, and they got their rear ends handed to them. Justice in my eyes, a small amount, but definitely justice. And trust me I'm not going to label everybody in that country. I've been on here the last few months telling people how disgusted I was with the way they treated the civilians there. I think it shows how much of a piece of garbage Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are when people are celebrating that they're gone even when their was bombing going on. I definitely see your point Doc! :)
     
  4. MadMax

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    Agreed, Rocks..the media was trying to tell us just a couple of weeks ago about how the Afghans bloodied the Soviet Empire..and how it would likely happen to us as well. Remember when people were speculating on how support for the war effort would go when they say US boys coming back in body bags...how about this little stat --- the US has not lost ONE soldier to enemy fire!!!

    I posted this before, but it's worth posting again...Iraq told us we were in for the "mother of all wars." Saddam told us his Republic Guard was vastly superior to the US...and the media bought it and sold it to the US public. Desert Storm was a joke, as some of those "vastly superior" soliders surrendered to CNN news crews! In Afghanistan we had Taliban leaders talking about fighting to their deaths and prophecy of bringing the US to its knees. And again, the media sold it to the public and attempted to alarm the hell out of us. I think we vastly overestimate the military potential of third world nations in an effort to drum up ratings. Sick.
     
  5. RichRocket

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    I knew as soon as I saw the Taliban warriors training on monkey bars, busting down doors like drug raids, and riding jackasses across the desert that this would be on short-lived war.

    Yes, those propoganda pieces served to stir an Afghan populace who sit around in abject poverty watching the dust swirl.

    We need a Disney-stan North and South. Throw in a few water parks and some Luby's Cafeterias to win over the people's hearts and minds-- especially the impressionable young.

    Then help re-build an Afghan infrastructure and get these people living in the present.
     
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