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Sasha Pavlovic, under the radar kind of guy(post other realistic options)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jose, Jul 2, 2009.

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  1. jose

    jose Member

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    well... since I've been emotional over ron sellfest being stupid, I guess it's time to look at options to make the team somewhat bearable to watch next year and getting a good position in the next draft.

    pavlovic who was traded to the cavs along with ben wallace as expirings for shaq will likely be waived by the suns, his contract for this year only has 1.5 million guaranteed so after that is paid the remaining (around 3 mil or so) will clear cap room.

    he didn't get much playing time for the cavs last season, but when delonte west was injured he stepped up and played really good for them until he came back, mike brown being stupid threw him in the dog house which didnt do good for his confidence thus he was never really in the rotation.

    he shot 41% from 3 last season(iirc he was at 45% mid way through the season when he had more playing time), 6-7, decent to good defender, on the bad side he's inconsistent, suddenly started shooting awful at free throws last season(dont see it being that bad again), but he's only 25 and can be had for cheap.

    he can probably be had for cheap and would do much better in an offense that the rockets run.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqXx35qfxQE here's a good mix of him playing, pretty solid stuff.
     
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  2. AB#0

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    No.. He's a cry baby and is incredibly inconsistent.
     
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  3. jose

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    I don't ever recall him crying, but I imagine you're talking about his confidence being hurt. well do you know shannon brown? the guy sucked really badly when he was playing for the cavs cause mike brown can't coach/develop young players, I doubt he'd have the same problem here.
     
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  4. RV6

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    Budinger can probably do what Pavlovic does...Taylor can definitely produce the same, just differently...we have enough role guys at the 2/3 spot..
     
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    Unless he takes the minimum, it doesn't matter how cheap he is. If we truly are offering Ariza the full MLE, we have nothing...zilch...nada to get anyone else.
     
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    Oh hell no. Not Sasha!
     
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  7. jose

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    I disagree, pavlovic is also really athletic where as budinger is all finesse, I see budinger becoming a solid shooter. look I'm not saying he's gonna solve all the problems, but if he can be had for cheap like the BAE, he's one of the better options out there.
     
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    If we had a choice of either paying Budinger the minimum or Pavlovic the minimum I'd take Pavlovic all day every day and twice on Saturday.

    One guy has played in the conference finals, and shot 52% from the 3 point line as a starter last season (his 6th NBA season and he's only 25)

    The other guy is 21, looks like Screech, and hasn't played any NBA, isn't as good a shooter - but HAS played volleyball before.
     
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    budinger has a much better chance of winning a dunk contest than Sasha ever will, not that athleticism is purely measured by dunking ability, but that should just give you an idea of how athletic budinger is. Finesse is not the opposite of athletic, so budinger can actually be both. Sasha and budinger have similar skills in that they both can shoot well and drive well but not great, but budinger has more upside and more reach vertically. I'm surprised so many people don't know how versatile Budinger really is, not sure why he's seen mainly as a shooter...
     
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  10. jose

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    thank you for having some sense.

    he also played in the finals against the spurs but that cavs team was really weak that year and it was really just lebron going super saiyan on the pistons while being down 0-2.

    and I think at this point pavlovic can be had for the bi-annual exception or minimum, now that there is ariza this team can still be watchable while yao is down(or plain gone, who knows at this point).
     
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  11. RV6

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    Im not sure the "minimum" is the same for both...and Budinger may not produce right away like Pavlovic, but he's not that far behind, he can get there within a year, maybe two and still has a shot to surpass him.
     
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  12. jose

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    because budinger in some draft reports I quote "looked like he didnt want to be at the work outs" and "scared to defend", that's why he's seen as a shooter where as pavlovic has held down kobe to the 30s%, he has a lot more potential than what has shown on the cavs, when coached properly I think he can be a big steal. at some point, lebron said the only person who could beat him 1v1 is pavlovic(not joking).

    look at what happened with shannon brown, guy was awful for the cavs cause mike brown can't coach/develop young players, but he played quite well solid minutes(much much better than he did with the cavs) for the lakers and now he's looking at getting a decent contract. he would play much better under adelman's system, and if not, then it doesn't matter cause it was for the BAE/minimum anyway.
     
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    Does it make a lot of sense to you to go pay a guy when you got 3 other guys with a good shot of playing his position and neither of them is clearly worse than him ? Let's focus on actual needs, like a big man, or a big time player, instead of paying a guy who may be bumped out of the rotation by rookies. Afterall, there is a reason why his PT was reduced and he's now close to being waived...
     
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    yes there was, mike brown not knowing how to develop young players.
     
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    That doesn't make sense at all, what he does or doesn't do on defense doesn't control how versatile he can be on offense. He's scared to defend so he's a shooter? No way, he got more game on offense than being stuck in a Steve Novak-like role. Pavlovic may have an edge on D, but budinger has it on offense, and once again, making room for Pavlovic is a waste of space and money when we have bigger needs. That Lebron comment doesn't mean much unless Lebron is on every team we face......and i think someone mentioned it earlier, but sasha is somewhat of a crybaby, he's been known to complain, not sure if it was because of lack of PT or lack of touches, but i think that's one reason why he didn't stick around in cleveland and may not stick in Phoenix either..
     
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    Hang on - you could apply that logic right to Budinger? Why pay him when we have Battier, Ariza, Barry, Taylor who do the same things and none of them are worse than him. And why not pay Pavlovic instead?

    And you are COMPLETELY INSANE if you think Budinger is not "clearly worse" than a guy who has played 318 NBA games.

    Not saying I'd sign Pavlovic - just that I'd rate him agead of Chase "probably won't play NBA" Budinger.
     
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    Would he accept the minimum? I doubt it.
     
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    No - you're right. The minimum is more for Pavlovic - but either way it's a minimum salary which is all we could offer either of them.

    If the choice was to offer the 6 year vets minimum to Pavlovic, or the 450k rookie minimum to Budinger, I'd go for Pavlovic every single time.
     
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  19. jose

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    the reason why I bring him up is because signing him to a 1 year deal worth 800k to 1mil is a steal for the usual talent you get at that level while leaving cap room for next year, it's just to bring depth to the rockets, and more than likely developing him further, did you watch the vdeo mix by chance?

    not saying the video mix proves anything but it's rather impressive for a guy who hardly got playing time last year at only 25 and shooting the 2nd highest percentage from 3 for the cavs.
     
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    I would rather have Rudy Fernandez.
     
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