1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Saddam continues to defy the UN

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Aug 19, 2003.

  1. giddyup

    giddyup Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    20,466
    Likes Received:
    488
    Now his loyalists bomb the hotel which is used as UN Headquarters in Baghdad. Fifteen dead so far.

    They continue to dismantle the infrastructure (oil, water, power) through ongoing terrorism... and see the blame shifted to the US for the ongoing problems.
     
    #1 giddyup, Aug 19, 2003
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2003
  2. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,132
    I was watching Nightline, and I couldn't believe that they are sabotaging everything they can. They are hurting their own country! Are they that stupid? They blew up some water pipes and some oil well, costing the Iraqi people billions of dollars in revenue.
     
  3. Friendly Fan

    Friendly Fan PinetreeFM60 Exposed

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1
    if you will catch him, I'll drop the hammer on him
     
  4. giddyup

    giddyup Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    20,466
    Likes Received:
    488
    I heard Tom Friedman on IMUS in the Morning the other day. He revealed the truth behind part of the problem with the electrical supply in Iraq.

    Saddam only ever ran the system at 2/3rds capacity AND he directed virtually all that capacity towards Baghdad and Tikrit. Since the war, the US is running the system to as much capacity is capable but distributing it evenly around Iraq.

    We are just so terrible! :D
     
  5. Surfguy

    Surfguy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 1999
    Messages:
    24,602
    Likes Received:
    12,895
    I'm saddened by this bombing. I am particularly sad that the UN didn't feel strong security was necessary. This left the open a door for a terrorist act. No matter how well-intentioned the UN's mission is...it makes no difference to those who are willing to strike with violence. These terrorists are not making a distinction between anyone no matter why they are there and how noble the reason. I hope the UN decides they cannot operate without strong security from here on out.

    Damn.
     
  6. giddyup

    giddyup Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    20,466
    Likes Received:
    488
    You're not by any chance a psychic, are you? :D

    Shouldn't John Edwards know if Saddam or Usama is still alive?
     
  7. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,087
    Likes Received:
    3,605
    It would definitely seem counterproductive for the Iraqi Resistance to be blowing up infrastructure as it could turn the people against them. I saw a CNN report this morning in which a US official or a reporter? was explaining how hard it will be to defeat the resistance militarily unless the people turn against them.

    From a tactical point of view I guess you can argue that if you stop oil production, it makes the occupation more expensive for US taxpayers and less desirable for US oil companies. Also if you have to guard every kilometer of pipeline and electrical transmission line it makes it harder to keep US troops safe.

    It is confusing. At times the Adminstration and war supporters claim Sadam is just an old man in hiding , cut off from communication. When resistance flares, they blame him for it.

    Those who opposed the war always claimed that there would be horrible unknown repercussions due to the war and it wouldn't be like Parisians cheering the troops as they were lberated from the Germans.

    So far I would say that the anti-war faction was much more accurate on the postwar mess, while the pro war faction was more accurate on the ease with which Baghdad initially fell.
     
  8. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,908
    Likes Received:
    41,438
    What's ironic is that there are far more Islamic terrorists active in Iraq now than before the invasion.
     
  9. GreenVegan76

    GreenVegan76 Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2003
    Messages:
    3,336
    Likes Received:
    1
    Um, right or wrong, we hostilely invaded and conquered their sovereign country, and killed almost ten thousand innocent mothers, fathers, sons and daughters in the process. Why are we surprised when this violence is reciprocated?

    They're human, just like we are: they feel pain, anger and vengeance just like we do. All violence is terrible, but these bombings shouldn't come as a surprise.

    Would you sit by and welcome with open arms Iraqi invaders after they slaughtered half your family? Of course not.

    Why are we allowed to feel pain, but they aren't?
     
  10. giddyup

    giddyup Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    20,466
    Likes Received:
    488
    That would find them terrorizing their own powerbase, wouldn't it?
     
  11. Grizzled

    Grizzled Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2000
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    40
    I don’t have time to get too drawn into political thread, but I’d just like to comment that I doubt that this or much if any of the other terrorism that’s been taking place there recently has anything to do with Saddam’s loyalists. Every anti-American terrorist group in the Middle East must be in Iraq by now, and they’ll all have the goal of trying to make the American efforts there fail. Some will just be taking advantage of the fact that the US has provided targets for them right in their backyard, and other will be more focused on ensuring that any western backed government fails and that an Islamic theocracy is the end result. As we discussed before the war, this war was never really about Saddam. Nobody like him. It was and is for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, because that is what will define the nature of the next state of Iraq and determine whether the intervention actually resulted in the liberation of the people of Iraq and a lasting positive change, or not.
     
    #11 Grizzled, Aug 19, 2003
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2003
  12. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,824
    Likes Received:
    5,228
    It seems they should be use to pain since they were ran for years by Saddam, he along with his sons killed 34,614 innocent women, children and man...I'm sure they have felt pain for longer than any could imagine...unfortunately, "somebody", wants to take the bandage off the wound and make it worse for the people of Iraq. Somebody wants the people of Iraq to suffer even more pain, and this is gravely unfortunate...
     
  13. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,908
    Likes Received:
    41,438
    yes. so?
     
  14. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,824
    Likes Received:
    5,228
    Most of yall know this, but it's reported...Sergio Viera de Mello, top UN envoy to Iraq has been confirmed dead in the attack.
     
  15. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    119
    It still boggles my mind that the US continues to attribute these attacks to "Saddam Loyalists". I believe that it is quite possible that some of the attacks may be perpetrated by pissed off Iraqis, happy that Saddam is gone but pissed at the US forces, who they see as occupiers rather than liberators.
     
  16. Grizzled

    Grizzled Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2000
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    40
    I don’t think the terrorist really care about the people of Iraq. They just want to show that the US can’t manage the situation, can’t succeed at what it’s trying to do, and they want the US to be blamed for the failure. That is why this was such a tricky operation from the beginning. It was never as simple as just removing a corrupt tyrant who nobody liked. It was a situation that involved the political situations throughout the Middle East.
     
  17. Grizzled

    Grizzled Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2000
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    40
    I would be that many of these attacks aren’t even being carried out by Iraqis.
     
  18. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,908
    Likes Received:
    41,438
    I bet you most aren't even Iraqis but are islamic militants from all over.
     
  19. giddyup

    giddyup Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    20,466
    Likes Received:
    488
    Well, well wouldn' that be counterproductive or at least destructive of the long-suffering Iraqis?
     
  20. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,908
    Likes Received:
    41,438
    Counterproductive? Probably the opposite, terrorism thrives on human misery. What's a little inconvenience to Iraqis, anyway, when you've got martyrdoms commit?
     

Share This Page