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Sacramento starting to get antsy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NIKEstrad, Jul 5, 2001.

  1. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

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    http://www.sacbee.com/sports/news/sports02_20010705.html

    Robinson hasn't said one word on the subject, but why worry about getting to the truth? We're operating in a time in which the Houston Rockets' brass leaks word last Thursday that it'll spend its cap money to re-sign its own top free agents, then two days later is said to be clearing every possible dollar to go after Webber.

    Sacramento obviously has a lot more at stake than us. If they miss out on CWebb, there is no Hakeem-Mo-Shandon option. Scott Pollard is there backup PF.

    This seemed more like a rationalization article for Sacramento. Apparently, he doesn't realize we could max Webber out, without clearing a single contract.

    The question comes to-Do we want Webber, and does Webber want us? Money is no issue here.

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  2. carlit0

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    Think are starting to look good for the Rockets.

    We can deal with ball distribution, if not, top players can always be traded away for the role players. But if the Rockets learn just to win, forget about stats/allstar games, things should be ok with Webber in the line up.

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  3. Hottoddie

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    Nike,

    With all due respect my friend, I have to disagree with you. The money IS the issue.

    As I've said several times, I've got a problem with tying up so much money in one player. We could sign Marc Jackson for $5-6 mill, resign MO for about $6-7 mill, & make a strong push for Jerome Williams or Outlaw for about the same price as Webber.

    I realize that Webber is a great player, but is he worth 3 young, solid role players, of which, 2 could someday become all-stars?

    I trust Rudy & CD's judgement, but I just don't get it. It's just not a sound financial investment. If you sign Webber at his going rate, then he has to be the final piece to get you to the Championship. If it turns out that he's not the final piece, it sure would be a whole lot easier to trade players with smaller salaries than Webber's mega salary.

    I just wish that the 18th would hurry up & get here. [​IMG]



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  4. RocketFan007

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    If we were to sign Webber, how much money would we have left to resign Moochie or sign other free agents?

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  5. NIKEstrad

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    toddie-you are correct.

    What I meant by money is no issue, is the fact that we don't have to make extra moves (like the Magic), or do a S/T to get Webber his max contract.

    I agree with you. I'd be a lot more comfortable chasing Webber if Cato had shown he can play 75+ games a year, getting 10-8-2 with good defense.

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  6. Desert Scar

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    Actually I think because of the max FA contract (6/90) Webber would be a bargain. The league max rule has made great players bargains relative to the "very good players"--who still get close to the max and the "good players" who get more than 1/2 the max. When you are talking about Mo T for 7-10 mil or A Davis near the max, etc, Webber is one hell of a deal.

    Further, think of it this way, there is no way on their value as players could get Webber via a trade by only giving up Mo T. + Jerome Williams or Marc Jackson. Maybe say if Mo. T was paired with A. Davis + #1's, then you might be talking in terms of fair value. But then the dollars don't work making such a trade impossible. Webber $ < Mo. T. $ + $ A. Davis. Again, great players at the max rate are a steal in the NBA.

    Webber will have value for every year of his contract. We would have no trouble moving him to NY, Ind, Det or Orl for nice young players/picks if he was a cancer, which I think is a quite remote possibility.
     
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    Nike, since it's likely that Dream's going to be injured anyway after a few games, wouldn't it be more advantageous to make the long term decision to get Webber over Mo?

    I say it every thread, but:

    Cato, Webber and Griffin is better than
    Cato, Mo and Griffin or the feel good temporary solution:

    Dream, Mo, Griffin: which again at the stroke of midnight turns into:

    Cato, Mo and Griffin. Do you see where I'm going with this? LOL.

    With Griffin and Webber solidifying the front court, Cato just needs to stand around and block shots. Take rebounding as a huge responsibility and he can even stay on the floor for a while.
     
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    A little twist on that thought would be: I'd be a lot more comfortable chasing Webber if Sacramento would take Cato/Walt in a sign & trade. Maybe, if we could get them drunk, they'd take 'em. I wonder if there's that much alcohol in the world? [​IMG]



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  9. crash5179

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    On a team like the Rockets that already have some good young roll players, I would say C-Webb is much more valuable to this team than Outlaw, Jackson and Williams.

    You can only go so far with roll players, sooner or later you have to have some real stars to win in this league.

    One last point. Teams have a shot at decent roll players every year but rarely have a chance to sign a proven star like Webber.

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  10. Hottoddie

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    Imho, we have two young stars right now in Francis & Mobley. MO also has the potential of being a star & Griffin has star potential written all over him. We need role players & experienced depth more than we need another star player, especially one that's going to handcuff your team financially for years to come.

    One red flag that I've not been able to see past is, Webber's inability or lack of desire to take charge of the team. The true superstars are the ones that'll carry the team on their back & will them to a championship. Guys like Moses Malone, Dream, Magic, Bird, Jordan, etc. Those, imo are the only ones that truely deserve the max contracts. My feelings are that Webber is not a team leader, take charge kind of guy, even though he was the best player on the King's team. I'm not saying that he will never be a leader, but he has to make the decision to take the role. True leaders are not given the role, they take the role.



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  11. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    this post makes more sense than any other post i've read. why worry about Hakeem? He'll be a year older,slower, and more injury prone than last year(and thats bad)! Hakeem made the Rockets into who they are, but its time to move on, his cap space is worth more than 50games a year at 25 minutes a game. Sure he helped us big last year but we aren't going to have him but probably one more year and what will that accomplish? not a title thats for sure. The rox need to move on.


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    Sorry, NIKE, didn't see your post before I wrote mine.

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