Russia-Ukraine Peace Talks Have Advanced To Point Where

Never trust Putin.

 

Definitely don't shake his hand...

 

What a cliff hanger of a thread title

 

First thought that came to mind. The Ukrainian negotiators seem to have become wildly optimistic. I hope it's a negotiating tactic and they aren't really buying what Putin is selling. I'll add that Zelensky shouldn't go anywhere, in my opinion, and certainly not to Turkey to meet with Putin. It's a miracle that the man is still alive. He needs to stay that way. As you said, never trust Putin. Heck, toss in never trust Erdogan.

 

Prediction: when Ukranian refugees start taking sub minimum wage jobs in Poland and Ukraine has proportionately as much lethal weapons as Poland, it will be over. The 3 of them will laugh and have a drink via zoom. Then they will set up a "peace talk" that actually succeeds and you will be thankful for the avoiding of a nuclear armageddon that was never a possibility to begin with.

 

I agree Putin shouldn't be trusted but this will be very much trust but verify situation. The Russians are only agreeing to this because of how poorly their military is performing on the battlefield. Putin might not have a choice but to come to terms or else this war might be far more costly to the stability and survival of his regime.

 

Sources?

 

"Meeting Between Putin And Zelensky Is Possible"

Okay, it's just possible. Sorry, but wake me up when it's happening. Then I would expect a long way toward any actual agreement.

 

Given that the Russians have failed to capture Kyiv or many other major Ukrainian cities, have lost possibly 17,000 troops, and are in retreat across much of Ukraine it's pretty obvious.

 

It could be about sanctions. He doesn't give a **** about troop loses. He bombed apartment buildings full of russian civilians for his own political gain false flag operations.

 

That could be a factor too but that still would represent an overall failure of this invasion. That they have achieved very few of their military goals while sanctions are crippling their economy.

If the Russians have to sue for peace just to lift sanctions that is essentially defeat through non military means.

 

It looks to me like he is looking for a way out and to declare victory - by getting what he SAID he wanted, which was not the truth, but he can now say Kyiv was a feint to secure the Donabas region all along....and that is all he wanted......

He can then make terms, leave, declare victory and hope the west lessons his sanctions.....the question will be....is he going to rebuild the Ukraine? If not.....then the USA and the West will step in and it will become even more Westernized.

Putin lost and is looking for a way to save face and stay in power.

DD

 

Considering how "outmatched" Ukraine was at the outset, and how astonishing well they have done on the battlefield, I would describe such a result as a mixture of both. What the Ukrainian military has achieved is giving the draconian sanctions time to bite the Russian economy, and bite hard. In addition, Russia has reportedly lost tens of thousands of citizens in their 20's, 30's and 40's that have fled the country. Russians educated in technology, software development, computer engineering and the like. People they can ill afford to lose. That's going to have an impact of it's own down the road, in my opinion.

Of course, no matter how badly Putin has "screwed the pooch," he has yet to quit and declare "victory." Acquiring Ukraine appears to be an obsession of his, and he hasn't hesitated to wreck the country, killing and maiming tens of thousands in the process. He really is a monster, one who has committed horrific war crimes wholesale.

 

Wut?

 

It was always about an energy play and destabilizing Europe. Mid-Summer last year, China intensified its ban on crypto mining and effectively kicked out all of the foreign crypto mining operations who were utilizing China's ultra cheap energy. By late summer, early fall, the full story came out; Europe and China were expecting a massive energy crunch this winter. At the same time, Russia began building up troops along Ukrainian border and coincidently attacked Ukraine at peak energy usage in Europe. This effectively brought Russia to the center of the global bargaining table. It has been well documented the 'sanctions' have largely been ineffective. The energy crush is about over with summer quickly setting in so now Putin will be forced to de-escalate the issue as Europe will not need that energy as bad.

You have those who are reading the proverbial tea leaves from a 'Putin has gone crazy and the next Hitler' angle and those who view it as an economic power play.

If peace talks are indeed in the advance stages and close to a resolution, I would expect to see the fighting de-escalate. Or you can see it as Russia losing and getting desperate. If Russia is indeed losing and getting desperate, you will see Ukraine come out of the talks with getting everything they wanted.

What I expect to see is Ukraine agreeing to remain neutral and removing all pro-NATO influences with Russian some parts, mostly in the south and west.

 

Let’s see what happens.

Also, invest in Poland now. Goldman Sachs will tell you to do it next year.

 

No, literally, what are you trying to say?