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Russia spied on Tony Blair for Saddam!

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  1. Ottomaton

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    Revealed: Russia spied on Blair for Saddam
    By David Harrison




    Top secret documents obtained by The Telegraph in Baghdad show that Russia provided Saddam Hussein's regime with wide-ranging assistance in the months leading up to the war, including intelligence on private conversations between Tony Blair and other Western leaders.

    Moscow also provided Saddam with lists of assassins available for "hits" in the West and details of arms deals to neighbouring countries. The two countries also signed agreements to share intelligence, help each other to "obtain" visas for agents to go to other countries and to exchange information on the activities of Osama bin Laden, the al-Qa'eda leader.

    The documents detailing the extent of the links between Russia and Saddam were obtained from the heavily bombed headquarters of the Iraqi intelligence service in Baghdad yesterday.

    The sprawling complex, which for years struck fear into Iraqis, has been the target of looters and ordinary Iraqis searching for information about relatives who disappeared during Saddam's rule.

    The documents, in Arabic, are mostly intelligence reports from anonymous agents and from the Iraqi embassy in Moscow. Tony Blair is referred to in a report dated March 5, 2002 and marked: "Subject - SECRET." In the letter, an Iraqi intelligence official explains that a Russian colleague had passed him details of a private conversation between Mr Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, at a meeting in Rome. The two had met for an annual summit on February 15, 2002, in Rome.

    The document says that Mr Blair "referred to the negative things decided by the United States over Baghdad". It adds that Mr Blair refused to engage in any military action in Iraq at that time because British forces were still in Afghanistan and that nothing could be done until after the new Kabul government had been set up.

    It is not known how the Russians obtained such potentially sensitive information, but the revelation that Moscow passed it on to Baghdad is likely to have a devastating effect on relations between Britain and Russia and come as a personal blow to Mr Blair. The Prime Minister declared a "new era" in relations with President Putin when they met in Moscow in October 2001 in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks.

    In spite of warnings by the British intelligence and security services of increasing Russian espionage in the West, Mr Blair fostered closer relations with Mr Putin, visiting his family dacha near Moscow, supporting the Russians in their war in Chechnya, and arranging for the Russian president to have tea with the Queen.

    Mr Blair was surprised and dismayed when Mr Putin joined France in threatening to veto the American and British resolution on Iraq in the UN, but continued to differentiate between President Putin and President Jacques Chirac.

    The Prime Minister refused to join the French, German and Russian leaders in their summit on Iraq this weekend, but still regarded Mr Putin as an ally in global politics.

    The list of assassins is referred to in a paper dated November 27, 2000. In it, an agent signing himself "SAB" says that the Russians have passed him a detailed list of killers. The letter does not describe any assignments that the assassins might be given but it indicates just how much Moscow was prepared to share with Baghdad. Another document, dated March 12, 2002, appears to confirm that Saddam had developed, or was developing nuclear weapons. The Russians warned Baghdad that if it refused to comply with the United Nations then that would give the United States "a cause to destroy any nuclear weapons".

    A letter from the Iraqi embassy in Moscow shows that Russia kept Iraq informed about its arms deals with other countries in the Middle East. Correspondence, dated January 27, 2000, informed Baghdad that in 1999 Syria bought rockets from Russia in two separate batches valued at $65 million (£41 million) and $73 million (£46 million). It also says that Egypt bought surface-to-air missiles from Russia and that Kuwait - Saddam's old enemy - wanted to buy Russian arms to the value of $1 billion. The Russians also informed Iraq that China had bought military aircraft from Russia and Israel at the end of 1999.

    Moscow also passed on information of Russians who could help Iraqi politicians obtain visas to go to many Western countries.

    The name of Osama bin Laden appears in a number of Russian reports. Several give details of his support for the rebels in Chechnya. They say bin Laden had built two training camps in Afghanistan, near the Iranian border, to train mujahideen fighters for Russia's rebel republic. The camps could each hold 300 fighters, who were all funded by bin Laden.

    Training materials found at the complex give insight into the Iraqi intelligence gathering methods. One certificate shows that a Rashid Jassim had passed an advance course in lock-picking.

    Other papers found at the headquarters include reports on the succession in Saudi Arabia and on US-Yemen relations.

    The intimate relationship between Baghdad and Moscow is further illustrated by copies of Christmas cards - in the Christian tradition - sent by Taher Jalil Habosh, the head of the Iraqi intelligence service, to his Kremlin counterpart.

    Russia has been a key ally of Baghdad since the 1970s and was one of Saddam's main arms suppliers. The Iraqis are understood to owe Moscow more than £8 billion for arms shipments. Russian oil companies had longed to forge links with Saddam Hussein to help develop Iraq's vast oil reserves.

    :eek: :eek:
     
  2. treeman

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    Start by saying - need confirmation, but...

    This is exactly the sort of thing that I have been saying for weeks that we would find when we got into Iraq. Even so, it is quite disturbing to discover the depths of Russia's (particularly Putin's) duplicity...

    Anyone still curious why the Russians didn't want us in there?

    Expect more of this type of information to surface in the coming months.
     
  3. No Worries

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    If true, this is potentially damning to Bush's attempted Saddam OBL connection.
     
  4. francis 4 prez

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    were you trying to be a parody of yourself with that one?
     
  5. treeman

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    No Worries:

    How so? Saddam trusted no one, OBL included (why would he?). Why would he not want information on him? Does not mean Saddam did not give support to Al Qaeda.

    Oh, BTW - I'd say that:

    would be damning to your presence on this board. :p
     
  6. Mr. Mooch

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    **** Russia!

    :) :) :)

    Ahhh, that felt good (even though I have roots to that country, oh wait, that's Prussia!!! BEAUTIFUL!!!)
     
  7. Hammer755

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    As is typical, out of the entire article this is the one thing you deem worthy to mention.
     
  8. rezdawg

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    The world has gone to ****. I should move to antartica and eat snow. Hopefully, there will be some nice penguins to play with.
     
  9. No Worries

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    If Saddam was willing to give OBL up to the Russians, I think that it is not that likely that Saddam would be selling WMD to OBL. To imply otherwise is a real stretch.

    I would have mentioned

    Another document, dated March 12, 2002, appears to confirm that Saddam had developed, or was developing nuclear weapons. The Russians warned Baghdad that if it refused to comply with the United Nations then that would give the United States "a cause to destroy any nuclear weapons".

    but the quoted part of the statement implies that the Russians believed that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons, which no one in the US intell community actually believes (or we would have sought a diplomatic solutions a la North Korea).

    Remember I prefaced with above comment with "If true".
     
  10. treeman

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    Ah, the spirit of invention lives... Where did you get anything about Saddam "giving up" Osama to the Russians? You didn't get it here. It mentions them sharing information on Osama, not Saddam turning him over.

    Ask yourself why the Russians would want information from Saddam on Osama. They want that info because they are fighting Al Qaeda in Chechnya. But why would they think that Saddam had information on Al Qaeda? Think...

    As for the nukes, read closer: or was developing nuclear weapons. And yes, "if true"... ;)
     
  11. No Worries

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    OK, I have thunk. The answer to your question is that Saddam was at the top of OBL's sh*t list (until the US left bases in Saudi). Saddam was most likely using his own intell to track OBL, in case OBL made a run at Saddam. Oscam's Razor.
     
  12. treeman

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    Yes, it's just so impossible that they would cooperate to eliminate a mutual enemy, isn't it?

    Tell me, who do you think that Saddam's primary enemy was? Who do you think that Osama's primary enemy was? If you answered "the USA" to both of these questions, then you would be correct. Do you really think that Saddam was that afraid of Osama? He wasn't even afraid of us.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And it's Occam's Razor, No Worries.
     
  13. Heretic

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    We keep detailed files on every country in the world and just about every fringe radical/revolutionary/terrorist group as well. Does this mean that we're cooperating with all of these groups or just the ones that are fighting against governments that we don't deem as being friendly to U.S. interests?


    The Russians exchanging information with Iraq doesn't surprise me a great deal. What surprises me is how people are jumping to conclusions about documents that haven't been fully analyzed yet. There's a lot more stuff in there and right now they're just letting out bits and pieces.


    This is interesting stuff, and I'll be curious to see what other information they release from the files after they get done reading them.
     
  14. Apollo Creed

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    I don't know about that...

    [​IMG]
     
  15. DoitDickau

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    lol apollo creed
     
  16. rezdawg

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    Okay, scratch that. Screw the penguins.
     
  17. MacBeth

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    I literally roared with laughter when i saw that...One of the funniest things i've seen in quite a while...Wherever did you get it?
     
  18. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Who thinks this is about money? Or about containment? I think that's the big question we need to ask ourselves. What was their motive.
     
  19. rezdawg

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    Well, my guess would be that the penguin that got smacked was trying to sleep with the other penguins ex-girlfriend. Im not too sure if money was an issue here.
     
  20. Apollo Creed

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    All the credit goes to CLFranchise, who posted it in a thread in the NBA Dish...
     

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