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Rudy T 2002-03 Coach of the year

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Monkey7392, Oct 16, 2002.

  1. Monkey7392

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    If we make the playoffs and are atleast 6th in the west Rudy T can doit. And I know we can turn this team around. I mean look at the guy Carslile from Detroit sorry about the spelling but i mean Rudy T has a shot at COY cus of the difference in wins we get this year.
     
  2. TheReasonSF3

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    There is no way that he will win it. He isn't a great coach. If we are one of the top 6 seeds it won't be because of him. It will be because of Steve leading us and also staying injury free. It won't be because of Rudy.
     
  3. codell

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    Ya know, Ive always been afraid to say it, especially on this Rocket forum, but I totally agree with you about Rudy not being a great coach. I love Rudy to death, but as far as Xs and Os go, hes not one of the better coaches in the league at all.
     
  4. TheReasonSF3

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    I think that Rudy is a great guy, but he isn't a great coach. I think that he is average at best. I would rate him as a below average coach. He is terrible when it comes to Xs and Os. Our offense was a mess last season, even when Steve was playing.
     
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    I agree to some extent. What he may lack in Xs and Os (and he doesnt lack too much), he makes up with his knack for knowing how to use players. He always puts his players in the right situation for them to be successful. And I think if the Rockets do get the 6th seed, he definitely is in consideration for Coach of the Year. He has a bunch of new faces to incorporate into his scheme, and if he can do that in one season, he definitely is a candidate for Coach of the Year.
     
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    The new faces all came from the draft. Ming and Nachbar are basically our only new faces. Ming came to us by luck of the lottery.
     
  7. codell

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    You are a smart man.

    There was a thread that was posted a few days ago about a replacement for Rudy or something like that. I actually made the statement that Id rather have Phil Jackson/Tex Winter coaching our team right now instead of Rudy.

    Rudy is indeed a great guy. Hes a "players coach". Guys love to play for him and thats why we have had alot of overachievers (Thomas, Harrington, etc.) on our team the last few years and that in turn, has always made Rudy look like a better coach than he really is.

    I would like to see Rudy as the GM of this team. I think with his reputation as a player's coach and his talent evaluation skills, he would be perfect for that. I wouldnt mind seeing Rudy step aside and hire someone thats a good X and Os coach or at least an assistant thats good with X and Os (someone like Tex Winter). I like our assistants, but I think Smith, Boylen and co. are better at helping our players develop their skills than helping design an offense or defensive scheme.
     
  8. don grahamleone

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    If Rudy is below par or at par, why did they pick him to coach the USA team. I guess team USA were a bunch of boneheads. Maybe the should have grabbed Karl. Oh wait....


    Perhaps you guys should judge a guy by more than one or two experiences, ya' think?
     
  9. codell

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    He got the USA job purely based on him being a players coach as well as a reward for being a coach on an NBA championship team.

    If you remember, the USA team that he did coach struggled to beat people, although they ultimately did. Unlike this years team ....what a debacle that was ..............


    Being coach of Team USA nowadays is like being a college coach. Its all about being a recruiter because no one wants to represent our country anymore. Thats why our team this year was second tier players. Every player in this league HATES George Karl. I was not suprised at our failings in the WC.
     
  10. TheReasonSF3

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    They had Karl as the coach this year and he sucked. Just because Team USA picked him doesn't mean that he is a great coach. Like Codell said, he is a players coach. They probably just wanted a guy like that, so all of the selfish greedy players would like their coach, since all Team USA players always cry about minutes.
     
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    If Rudy T gets the results, and thats what counts,he will be considered a great coach. After building up a new team so quickly and winning a Championship in the not too distant future.A great Coach and a great team... Rudt T and Houston Rox.
     
  12. codell

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    This, in a nutshell, is why I think Phil Jackson is a better coach than Rudy.

    #1) Rudy's advantage of being a players coach doesnt hold water in this comparison. Jackson has proven hes a winner, so players will always want to play for him because they want that ring.

    #2) This is the best example of why Jackson is better than Rudy. Do yall remember that heartbreaking playoff loss to the Jazz a few years ago? We lost because of one reason and one reason only. Rudy kept letting Stockton kill us with his shooting.

    When the Jazz reached the finals and lost to the Bulls, it wasnt necessarily because of Michael Jordan as much it was because of how Phil Jackson defended the Jazz. Jackson would frequently throw double teams at John Stockton to get the ball out of his hands because he knew Stockton kills teams with his passing and court vision. When that happened, other players were forced to get the ball down into Malone. Because of that, Malone wasnt getting the passes or the ball where he was comfortable and thus, struggled alot. JACKSON TOOK AWAY THE BIG ADVANTAGE THAT TWO HALL OF FAMERS HAD OVER HIS OWN PLAYERS BY DOUBLE TEAMING THE LESSER OF THE TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely, without questions, pure genius!

    Now heres what Rudy did: Not only did he NOT think about double teaming Stockton, he would have the guy that was guarding Stockton leave him to go double down and leave Stockton WIDE OPEN. Stockton killed us with not only his passing but his shooting also!!!!!!!!!!! UN-FRICKIN-BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!! RUDY MADE STOCKTON A BETTER PLAYER BECAUSE OF HOW HE PLAYED HIM DEFENSIVELY!!!!!!!

    And that folks, is why I see Jackson as a better coach than Rudy. Hands down.
     
  13. ron413

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    Rudy T is an incredible coach in my mind. I heard someone on the telecast last night(Maybe Franchise?) saying that Rudy is doing a great job defining each players "Role" this season. You can clearly tell that there is a new attitude from the team this year, and I think Rudy is just stepping it up as a coach as well.

    Sure I am being overly positive in my remarks above but I support our coach and his approach to this season at least!
     
  14. codell

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    I agree with you there and I hope you and others dont think Im saying that Rudy is one of the worst coaches in this league, I just dont think he is one of the greatest.

    Its great that hes defining roles and can motivate his players. It still boils down to Xs and Os in my mind. Rudy is not good at making adjustments when his team is getting beat.

    Maybe with this new offensive hes installing, it will make him better equipped to start making adjustments if necessary.
     
  15. smoothie

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    you have to treat our team like they are our children. we must love and support them in any choice they make weather we feel its right or wrong.
     
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    I'm probably wrong but... didn't Rudy take a "no talent" US team (not the US Olympic team with Ducan but some other team...maybe made up of college players,) and brought them to the finals (though they lost.)

    I'm sorry I don't have any "real" information on it or anything, I just remember someone posting something about it.

    If I am right, I think it goes to show you that Rudy does have some skills, maybe not in the X's and O's, but in getting players to play at the best of their abilites; which is just as important as being a good X's and O's guy.

    Somone please verify that I'm right or wrong, I would hate to put something up that was fabricated...
     
  17. codell

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    I think you are right. Being a players coach can cause your team to overachieve.

    I think I said this earlier but Ill say it again. I think thats why Team USA got beat this year. Every player in this league probably HATES George Karl. I think thats why we didn't have any of the top tier players on the team this year. The players that did play, it seemed werent as motiviated to do their best as they would with someone like Rudy.

    If players dont respect the coach, the team will almost always underachieve.
     
  18. Yetti

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    Jackson is not a great coach in my mind! He has never built a team up from the ground level! He quits on coaching wehen his team is unable to win a Championship. He returns to Coaching a Team that has Shaq and Koby. This Team could win with any reasonable level NBA Coach. Jackson is only average in my opinion. He only coaches great teams that someone else has put together!IMHO
     
  19. rockbox

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    But they don't win championships until he comes along. Imagine that. Coaches do not build teams, GM's do. Phil may not be a great GM but he is a great coach.
     
  20. codell

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    Just cause you dont build your team from the ground up, doesnt mean youre not a great coach. Jackson has never been asked to or hired to do that. We dont know if he couldnt.

    Even on a team with great players, the coach still has to design a system that maximizes those players ability plus motivate them. Rudy had a team with 3 hall of famers (granted, they were older) and didnt win. Another good example is the Blazers team from the last few years. 1-12 their talent was top notch but they never won.
     

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