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ROY: National media like Yao, Players like Stoudemire

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dragon167, Apr 15, 2003.

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  1. dragon167

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/stein_marc/1538687.html

    Rookie of the Year
    Stein's ballot

    1. Yao Ming, Houston
    2. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix
    3. Caron Butler, Miami

    Houston's Yao Ming. For months we surmised that the No. 8 spot in the West would be the ROY tiebreaker between Yao and Suns sensation Amare Stoudemire. At the buzzer, even though Stoudemire and the Suns claimed it, we just couldn't deny Yao. Manly as Amare was, leaping from high schooler to NBA impact player a year after we had all lost faith in prep stars, Yao made a more daunting and historic transition, coming all the way from China to the heady heights of starting center in the All-Star Game and, for one night in January, legitimate Shaq foil. April has indeed been his worst month, after a great December (17.1 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.7 bpg) and February (16.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg), but Yao repeatedly dodged the Great Rookie Wall and hushed a lot of skeptics, all in the face of a relentless press following. No shame, meanwhile, for Miami's Caron Butler finishing third behind these two, especially with a Stein Line favorite (Denver's Nene Hilario) looming fourth.


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/marty_burns/news/2003/04/10/burns_awards/

    Rookie of the Year

    This year¡¦s rookie race is extremely close, even by its own standards. After all, the award has been shared three times, most recently by Elton Brand and Steve Francis in 2000. Suspicious for sure, but that¡¦s a subject for another day.

    One thing¡¦s for certain this season, however. Nobody but Rockets center Yao Ming or Suns forward Amare Stoudemire deserves to win it. Yes, Heat forward Caron Butler has had a fine season, but there is no way a guy who shoots 42 percent for a dog team walks off with the hardware in this race.

    Stoudemire and Yao simply have been better all-around. Both are near the top of the rookie list in scoring, rebounding, field-goal percentage and blocks. Both have played key roles in helping their teams contend for playoff spots.

    But while Stoudemire is the surprise rookie of the year and the most athletic rookie, he hasn¡¦t had the same overall impact as Yao. The Suns don¡¦t run their offense through him the way the Rockets do through Yao. Meanwhile, at the other end of the court, Yao¡¦s size allows him to change and alter shots on a regular basis.

    It¡¦s become trendy among some NBA cognoscenti to contend that Yao is still more hype than substance. They note that the 7-foot-5 phenom has benefited in the rookie race from his dubious All-Star starting berth and greater number of TV appearances. But Yao also has had to deal with the pressure and responsibilities of being the No. 1 overall pick and the unofficial Chinese ambassador.

    Yao shoots a high percentage (50.9 percent), passes extremely well and impacts the game more on the defensive end. The fact that he¡¦s excelled while being besieged by media and fans everywhere he goes is an added factor. It¡¦s a close call, but we¡¦ve got to give it to Yao.



    http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/6308427

    Rookie of the year*
    Yao Ming, Houston Rockets: It required two seconds with any coach before the season even began for them to say the 7-5 Chinese center was going to be an immediate impact player, and they were right. Terrific shooting range with touch, stunningly great passing skills, good shot-blocking instincts and a surprisingly strong lower body made Yao an instant success. Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire was just a whisker behind with his overall skills not as developed in passing and defense, and Miami's Caron Butler was better than both down the stretch. Orlando's Drew Gooden and Nene Hilario in Denver were both very good, and the surprise rookie of the year was Carlos Boozer, who lost a lot of weight and proved to be the steal of the draft by Cleveland in the second round.


    On the other hand, I read that kobe, shaq and duncan all like amare (sorry i'm too lazy to find the quotes again).


    It has been on my mind for quite a long time. Do you think national media like Yao because he can bring more readers to their webpages? Sometimes Yao had some so-so games but he's still in the front pages of the media, at least it happened earlier this season. On the other hand, amare seems to impress his fellow players more. I know I would never know the answer, but if the media pick Yao because of the click rates, I would rather give the award to amare.
     
    #1 dragon167, Apr 15, 2003
  2. Alirules

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    i have no doubt Yao will win it.

    He has a much superior role then Stodumire in his team

    Stoudomire has the role of Cato in pheonix with playing 35 minutes
     
    #2 Alirules, Apr 15, 2003
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    here is an example why Yao is better then Stodomire

    The Boston game

    Yao doubles tripled whole game

    Stodumire left open to take jump shots
     
    #3 Alirules, Apr 15, 2003
  4. The Real Shady

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    Of course the players want Amare to win it. They hate the fact that foreign players are coming into their league. Look how Barkley and Kenny Smith acted every time a foreign player was selected. Their sentiment towards foreign players is shared by just about all american born players. They are just jealous that the rest of the world is catching up with them and unfortunately many don't have the decency to give credit where it's due.
     
    #4 The Real Shady, Apr 15, 2003
  5. canoner2002

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    I am inclined to believe players favor Amare because they are not happy with the media coverage Yao gets. They also feel less threatened by Amare.
     
    #5 canoner2002, Apr 15, 2003
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    Not to cry foul or anything, but I think the above is a very astute observation.

    :D

    theSAGE
     
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  7. SA Rocket

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    I'd have to agree with the jealousy angle from American players. Plus, at this point, Amare plays more of the "American" style....brutish, in your face, style over substance, look at me, etc.

    So they'd have you believe that, given the chance, they'd rather have Amare on their team than Yao. Yeah, right.:rolleyes: Gimme a break!!
     
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    Everytime I watch Amare play I am more an dmore amazed at how few skills he has - great player for sure, and the fact that he is still so young means he can be really great at some point, but it is 100% on athletic ability right now.
     
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    ..and without the blocks.
     
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    I agree 100%. He has amazing potential, but at this point, his game is very reminiscent of a young Shawn Kemp. Its a great power game which is very impressive but he's not very skilled in any other facets of the game.
     
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  11. Raven

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    The NBA is becoming global, and less urban.

    This threatens a lot of people.

    So it doesn't surprise me that players want YM to fail.

    Raven
     
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    College and high school ballers should be worried. Those guaranteed rookie contracts are harder to come by due to the increase in foreign talent.
     
    #12 AGBee, Apr 15, 2003
  13. pgabriel

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    First of all, just say less black, quit beating around the bush, and second your point is stupid. A lot of players give Yao Ming his credit after playing.
     
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    Again, what is it about Amare that impresses people so much besides his aggressiveness?

    -His post moves?
    -His footwork?
    -His mid-range game?
    -His passing?
    -His Bball IQ?

    Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player and I'd take him over Eddie in a heartbeat, but people are acting like he's actually leading that team to the playoffs.
     
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  15. Raven

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    Well the NBA is mostly black players, you'd be completely blind not to admit that hip hop culture has become the image of the NBA, and over the last couple of years the percentage of black players has dropped, while the number of non black players has gone up, or at least the percentage of non black impact players has gone up.

    YM was the first non black player chosen number one in two decades, so let's be honest about this and admit that race might play a part in who black NBA players want to see win the ROY award.

    Raven
     
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  16. E.J. Tucker

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    All GM's have had one year to watch Ming and Stoudemire play againest NBA talent.

    If you were a GM, with one pick which would you take for your team? I'm thinking 90-100% take Ming. So who should be ROY?
     
    #16 E.J. Tucker, Apr 15, 2003
  17. Desert Scar

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    Raven, pgabriel--I think you guys are wrong. Can't prove it, but...

    I think if Yao grew up in Oakland as a local legend the resentment would not be there.

    If a 7'5" Nigerian (Black) or 7'5" Russian (White) comes in the NBA and doesn't know the language, never played ball ayt any level in America, yet grabs all the awards and media attention like Yao did the resentment would also be there.

    In sum I think it is more of a nationalism thing than a race thing.
     
    #17 Desert Scar, Apr 15, 2003
  18. FlyingDragon

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    I totally agreed with you.
    Shaq like Amare because Yao is getting more hype and more popularity then him, he's jealous of Yao, he's jealous of the commercial and coverage on Yao, and also, Yao take his NBA All-Star starting position, and so much more........... There's no way that he like Yao.

    Kobe like Amare because Yao is getting more popularity, Kobe is also very jealous of Yao, that's why he pick Amare.

    Tim Duncun is the same, all the player is the same, they're jealous.
     
    #18 FlyingDragon, Apr 15, 2003
  19. KeepJuaquin

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    Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan. Duh. They are too jealous and they are the best of the best. They feel threatened. They just support Amare because he came out of high school in America.

    But many other players like Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady...ask them. Ask them what they think. Ask Sabonis. Ask some intelligent players who are on losing teams who don't care.

    Some will say Amare and some will say Yao.

    But it should be Yao Ming.

    Ask the coaches. They should say Yao Ming. If not...they are jealous because they don't have him.

    :)
     
    #19 KeepJuaquin, Apr 15, 2003
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