Thought you fight fans might enjoy this article...pretty bold statement about Roy's place in history, relative to this era of boxers. I can't say I disagree...and I like Roy a lot more than this guy does! http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=graham_tim&id=1800132 By Tim Graham Special to ESPN.com There has always been something about Roy Jones Jr. that has turned me off. Maybe it's the recurring impression that he's more interested in his money than his legacy, that in Roy's world KO victories are all about "Kashing Out." Roy Jones Jr. has something to shout about when it comes to his legacy. Perhaps it's the narcissism that turns into false modesty at the drop of a God reference, the self-praise -- in third-person, no less -- that switches to humble servant before the end of the sentence. It could be the arrogance he most recently exhibited when he didn't bother to show up for Winky Wright's career-defining triumph over Shane Mosley, even though he was Wright's promoter. Jones said he didn't want to detract from his client's moment, as though his mere presence would cause planets to collide. And it might be Jones' harbored notion that the world owes him something, yet rarely over the years has he given the fans what they requested of him. There are plenty of reasons to find Jones objectionable. His overall career shouldn't be one of them. True enough, Jones could have done a substantial amount more to make his mark in boxing history. But there's no argument he was the most brilliant boxer of the past 15 years and should be remembered among the all-time best -- right up there with Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran. Jones is approaching the end of the line. He's 35 years old and announced last week he might have two more bouts left in him after his eagerly anticipated pay-per-view rematch with Antonio Tarver on Saturday night in Las Vegas. Jones intends to treat his hometown fans in Pensacola, Fla., to one more show and perhaps fight either Mike Tyson or Vitali Klitschko for big bucks before packing his gloves in mothballs. For much of Jones' career, he was excruciating to follow. He never seemed willing to test his extraordinary talents, yet he never ceased trumpeting his greatness. There were so many pedestrian foes, so much disappointment in the way he would sandbag negotiations until HBO remitted to unworthy opposition, so much disdain from fans who were tired of the rigmarole, the lousy rap CDs and the pro basketball pipedreams. In looking back on his career, however, he clearly is the finest fighter of his generation. Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad can't touch him. Only Bernard Hopkins comes close, and Jones beat him. Jones is 49-1 with 38 knockouts. Corrupt judges robbed him of the Olympic gold medal in 1988. He won professional titles in four divisions from middleweight to heavyweight. He certainly could've claimed a cruiserweight title had he cared to. He easily defeated 17 former, current or future world champions, including two fighters currently listed among the pound-for-pound elite (Hopkins and James Toney) and a member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame (Mike McCallum). His lone blemish was a disqualification loss to Montell Griffin, a match Jones almost certainly would have won had it continued. Jones was leading on two scorecards before he knocked Griffin down in the ninth round, but an extra blow delivered when Griffin was down ended the fight. Jones avenged his dubious defeat in his next outing, obliterating Griffin inside one round. Seven months ago it could also be said Jones had never been involved in a competitive professional fight. That was until he met Tarver. The bout was Jones' first since beefing up to 193 pounds to defeat WBA titleist John Ruiz in March 2003 and become the first natural middleweight in more than a century to become a heavyweight world champion. Jones kept the weight on for several months and even climbed within a pound of two bills in anticipation of a tantalizing match with Mike Tyson. Once it became evident Tyson wasn't interested in fighting again in 2003, Jones had to rapidly lose the equivalent of a healthy toddler to reach the 175-pound light heavyweight limit. He had so much trouble slimming down he reportedly had to drop 11 pounds in the 48 hours prior to the weigh-in. He had gained 10 of it back before the opening bell. Probably because of the dramatic weight shift -- but conceivably for other reasons -- Jones showed signs of slippage that night. He looked a little older, a little slower, a little duller. Tarver beat him to the punch for much of the 12 rounds and dominated along the ropes. Jones, for the first time in his career, took a beating. Fans witnessed something else never before seen in a Jones fight. They saw him dig deep and fight like a gritty champion, not some overly talented showboat. Jones, his left eye virtually swollen shut and gasping for oxygen, rallied in the final two rounds. He somehow found the wherewithal to deliver the trademark combinations he hadn't managed all night. He was judged the victor on two scorecards, while the third was even. Had the fight ended after the 10th round it would have been scored a draw. Many who watched the fight disputed the decision, but no one could argue Jones' performance late in the fight was magical. We finally saw Jones stretched to his limits, and he responded like a true champion. "I went deep down and had to go," Jones recalled last week. "I knew I had to beat him and I had to find the energy to do it. I had to dig down in my heart and say, 'Look, you are going to win, so you are just going to have to keep going.' I had no energy, but I knew I was going to have to win this fight. So I got up ... and won the fight." “ Why I'm doing this is because my fans want me to shut this boy's mouth. I don't really want to kill (Tarver) or nothing like that. I just want to show him that when I'm on my day, 'No, you can't beat me at all.' ” — Roy Jones Jr. Jones' longtime trainer was in awe. Alton Merkerson admitted he has seen Jones get older. The punches don't have the same snap. The flurries are more visible to the naked eye. The footwork isn't as fluid. While 99 percent of boxers would give their left thumb for Jones' slightly depreciating skills, the decline could be just enough to make previously unfair fights competitive. Jones, however, isn't all flurry and scurry anymore. It took a substandard performance to demonstrate it, but now we have glimpsed his impressive ring character. "Antonio Tarver on the scale of 1-to-10, was a 10. Roy Jones Jr., on the scale of one to 10, was a 4 1/2 or a 5, and he still managed to pull the fight off," Merkerson said. "He came into the ring with nothing. I gained a lot more respect for him through combat. I saw him go to another level I had never been exposed to before. "It's so easy to give up. But Roy had it locked into his brain he was going to get it done. He looked bad. I told him after the fight, 'Roy, since I've been coaching you, this is the worst performance I've witnessed, but I'm impressed.' " We all were. Well, everybody except Tarver, who talked enough trash after the fight Jones couldn't refuse a rematch. "Forget about all of the excuses that Roy Jones conjured up two or three days before the fight with weight," Tarver said. "The man has every excuse. If anyone had said, 'Maybe the guy across the ring &' Has anyone thought about that one time? "He got his (butt) whipped. Bottom line. I don't feel like a loser. I think that Roy Jones coming in as champion has everything to prove. I don't have anything to prove. I am going to reclaim my championships. I am going to whip (him). I hope he comes ready. Throw all of those excuses out the window." Jones won't have any need for pretext because the rematch shouldn't be nearly as competitive as the original. Jones has been working with strength and conditioning guru Mackie Shillstone on controlling his weight. Jones merely sweated away the pounds last time, but now he's dieting properly and taking vitamin and amino acid supplements. Jones also will be smarter this time around. He's too talented and too savvy not to have adopted a more effective gameplan for Tarver, a capable fighter with a 21-2 record and 17 KOs. There should be no surprises from Tarver's corner. But the most dangerous change Tarver can assume is that, unlike seven months ago, Jones will be motivated to prove the previous presentation was a fluke. If Tarver has any doubts, then he should call Griffin, the only other foe Jones has fought twice. "Why I'm doing this is because my fans want me to shut this boy's mouth," Jones said. "I don't really want to kill him or nothing like that. I just want to show him that when I'm on my day, 'No, you can't beat me at all.' He couldn't beat me when I wasn't on my day, and he definitely can't beat me when I am on my day." It shouldn't be close Saturday night. Jones will revert to his old form and dazzle us in another easy victory. He'll probably make it look too easy, just as he did in each of his first 49 fights. Jones won't need to show the heart of a true champion this time, but we'll take comfort that deep inside -- no matter how insufferable he can be -- it does beat within him. And we saw it. At least once.
ive seen a documentry on roy before. and what i got from that and this article. has not really ever lost a fight before.???? if thats true that is damn impressive. aside from some martial arts guys. this is the last put your fist up guy i would ever want to meat in a back alley while he is pissed off.
I think Roy has a loss due to a DQ when he fought Montell Griffin (I believe he had hit Griffin twice after Jones knocked him down). He promptly KOd Griffin in their rematch a few months later.
Roy's Career record (all of his opponents) http://boxing.about.com/library/bl_royjones.htm I remember the Virgil Hill fight, I really thought Virgil could beat him. I was wrong.
Roy is my favorite fighter. People don't give credit for fighting good fighters, because he makes everyone look so silly. He beat Hopkins one handed and Hopkins is probably the second most gifted active fighter. The defining moment for me was when he blanked Reggie Johnson. Reggie was a good fighter and there were atleast 3 rounds where Reggie didn't even land a punch. I think Reggie landed less than 30 punches the whole fight.
I'd love to see Jones fight Tyson. That would be very interesting. Jones v. Klitchsko??? Ugh ...pass. Actually, I would have love to seen Roy vs. a younger Evander Holyfield. That would have been a war. Heck, that might still be an entertaining fight.
you know if there is a heaven. maybe we can see some of these fights. meaning with fighters from diffrent generations. first things first though i want to see the hakeem, barkley, drexler team against one of those jordan bulls teams. one can only hope.
The problem with roy is that he seems gun shy after dropping some opponents that is why some people got turned off with his fights, and he was never in a fight which really tested him with ali youve got his fights with frazier and with leonard his fight with hearns and duran( i dont include his fight with hagler because i really think he out class hagler, although it has a nice story line) and people will always point out his opponent which is not his fault because they are the best in that division, well he never fought darius but if he fought darius and won i think people will still say that darius is an overrated euro.
Roy Jones vs. a Tyson in his prime would have been a great fight. Roy Jones vs. Tyson today would be manslaughter. RJ is definitely one of the most gifted fighters in history. His personality/attitude are the things that have kept him from getting the props he deserves.
Boxing is a dangerous sport, any boxer with an ounce of sense should be interested in "Kashing Out" and getting out as soon as possible.
but the hope is that the guy sincerely cares about his place in the sport...that he sincerely cares about being ranked among the greatest. that's why we watch. having said that...roy jones IS among the best i've ever seen. so i disagree with the author's point. i think he's shown us that he's among the best.
Tyson in his prime would have slaughtered Jones. You have to remember, Mike Tyson at his best was one of the greatest heavyweight boxers who ever lived. Jones is a great middleweight / light heavyweight fighter, but he's not big enough to go toe-to-toe with a premier heavyweight like Mike used to be.
you may be right...but i'd still like to see it!!! because i'm not POSITIVE you're right. Jones might have found a way.
I totally agree. When Tyson was in his prime, the Devil himself couldnt have beaten him. He killed everyone that he fought with ease. He was unbelievable. I hate that he screwed everything up so bad because watching him destroy people was so fun. Roy Jones would have been beaten like a red headed step child.
i think there are fighters who could have beat him...buster douglas showed us what a serious superior reach and a good jab can do. it's all about matchups...someone like ali would have been hell for tyson.
I don't know why people dislike Jones' personality. He can be arrogant, but I'm always laughing when he is talking.
damn, that Bernard Hopkins fight was 11 years ago...i'd like to see them fight again, but Hopkins is too small....i think he's still a middleweight....160 pounds?
Jones is a great fighter but he would have a very tough time with Bernard Hopkins. Like Nashvegas pointed out he beat Hopkins 11 yrs ago in a 12rd decision. Certainly Roy is more gifted. He throws combos like nobody's business. While Hopkins isn't among the most atheletic boxers he (along with James Toney) are the best boxers today. They know every trick in the book, have seen it all, been thru beatings and come back to be champions. Thats not saying Roy wouldn't beat them. I think he'd have the most trouble with Nard. For those who aren't aware Hopkins hasn't lost since that fight with Jones. Jones is a smart and incredibly talented fighter. He would likely be the favorite against any fighter in any match made today. I really think that he could stay in there with the heavies you mentioned--but if he got caught by say a Tyson or one of those Lewis uppercuts it would be ugly. Personally I think Roys too smart to ever take a risk like that. Looking forward to the fight this weekend. I think Tarver is a good matchup with Roy. The one thing he has that few of his opponents have is his confidence. He's not scared and I think he will make it another good fight. Only problem is some of the guys Roy fights. He picked it up lately fighting the totally sucky Ruiz (most boring heavy in the top 20) and the Tarver fight was great. My problem is when he fights guys like Glenn Kelly-who got that guy ranked??-for the "lightweight title". This is the guy he knocked out with one hand behind his back. Its also the guy who is a fulltime cop in Australia and part time boxer. hope you all saw the pac/jmm fight--if not catch the replay
Its amazing when you look at Tysons record....especially in the first three years. If he hadnt of become a weirdo.....he would have been the undisputed greatest heavy weight champion of all time. In those first few years he was just walking through guys like they wernt even there. As big a fan as I am of Jones and Lewis......they wouldnt have beaten Tyson at his best. Tyson would have just gone after Lewis and had the power to knock him out. As for Jones.....geez, he would have nearly been killed by Tyson. Its sad that a guy that could have been so good is now nothing more then a freak show. Sad for fans that is.....I have no sympathy for Tyson thats for sure!