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Ron Artest's game without the media/reputation bias

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, May 17, 2009.

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  1. trugoy

    trugoy Member

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    I basically see a mediocre player.

    His defense is vastly overated, he relies mostly on his reputation and intimidation and bullying, he likes to body up to opponents and do physical tactics to make people back down, it works somewhat in the regular season because half the NBA is scared of him, Lebron is actually intimidated by him. But when he goes up elite wingman in the postseason, he gets absolutely destroyed, his intimidation tactics don't work and kobe and brandon roy basically went around him at will.

    His defensive fundamentals are weak and he can't really rotate or close out or is a good help/team defender, if you look at the laker's kickout 3s you'll see a large percentage of them has artest late in rotation or on a closeout.

    Shane is lightyears ahead of him in defense.

    On offense, he does not do any one thing great but he does several things good, he is a good set 3 point shooter, his is good at driving, he is ok at creating his own shot, he is ok at posting up, he is a decent passer. On this team, yao and scola are better post up players, wafer and brooks are better at creating their own shot. His set 3 point shooting and his driving abilities might be his best assets to this team, although by nba standards they are just decent not great.

    His role really should be a shawn marion type, take open shots/garbage points, and hustle like mad and be an enforcer. The problem is that he is not really good enough to run any plays for on a contending NBA team, his efficiency is really low, not just his shooting % but the fact that he takes way too much time off the shot clock on his decision making.

    I see someone at this stage in his career, needs to change his game to being effective without the ball because his days of getting plays run for him are over. Anything over the MLE is overpaying for ron artest
     
    #1 trugoy, May 17, 2009
  2. 3Rings

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    Good post. I'm not sure I want Artest back next year. The manner in which he refuses to change his game. I did not see him in the post and at some point, you expect him to realize he was not hitting the threes and adapt. He never did.
     
    #2 3Rings, May 17, 2009
  3. Rocket River

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    WOW! The Hatred is moving at LightSpeed around here
    evidently . . . Appreication only lasts about 2 seconds after the last game

    Rocket River
     
    #3 Rocket River, May 17, 2009
  4. Chinesekid123

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    Agree 100%.

    We need to get rid of artest and get a superstar at the 3 spot, move shane to the 2 guard and wait for tracy. defense can sometimes be overated in general
     
    #4 Chinesekid123, May 17, 2009
  5. JujuxG

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    I respect your opinion and i do see your point but i disagree with some of it.
    For example i don't think he is a mediocre player i think he is a good player. I agree shane is better on defense but ron play physical which its part of ron and his defense.

    op prepare to be flame.
     
    #5 JujuxG, May 17, 2009
  6. tinman

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    Yeah the newbs probably wanted Kenny Smith off the Rockets after he missed that shot against Sonics in game 7 in 92.
     
    #6 tinman, May 17, 2009
  7. Rocket River

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    Boo'd the Horry Pick

    Rocket River
     
    #7 Rocket River, May 17, 2009
  8. rkh-dog

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    I think Artest could be a good role player next year off the bench, but he will want a much higher salary than a role player. I'm not sure he fits Adelman's offense. The ball too often stops in his hands.
     
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  9. trugoy

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    he is mediocre in the sense that as the 3rd best player on a contending team, he is basically in the bottom tier of players, I can only think of cleveland that has a worst 3rd best player, and even that's debateable.

    Of course if you put him on sacramento or any other lottery team, he will get good stats, but I am holding him to a different standard
     
    #9 trugoy, May 17, 2009
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    what i really dont like about his game is inconsistency and overdribbling. but he saved rockets asses more times i can count
     
    #10 apollo33, May 17, 2009
  11. trugoy

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    It's not one play, it's his whole season's body of work, and what's worse is that his game is going to decline at a really rapid rate, I've seen ron artest play in Indiana during his prime and his decline is remarkeable, I attribute that to his playing on concrete courts in his youth and during the summer in NY, his legs and knees are going really quick now.
     
    #11 trugoy, May 17, 2009
  12. JayGoogle

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    Lol, amazing isn't it?

    These guys have never been out of the first round and we're quick to send out a guy who was a major part in that.
     
    #12 JayGoogle, May 17, 2009
  13. King1

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    Meh. Most Rockets fans wanted Harold Miner. He was a dynamic scorer out of USC and billed as "Baby Jordan." Most of us had not seen much of Horry. Of course, we were all completely wrong. I was estatic when we made the Edddie Griffin trade. That worked out differently as well. I was happy with the Cassel pick because i had seen a lot of him at Florida State. There's always two sides.
     
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    Without Artest's play in game 6 of the first round we wouldn't have even had to chance to see him play this poorly in game 7 today. With this logic Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming don't even deserve James White's contract...
     
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  15. Raven

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    Enough with the player worship. There are both advantages and disadvantages to resigning Ron, and his contract demands will tip the scales one way or the other.
     
    #15 Raven, May 17, 2009
  16. trugoy

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    great logic, a player has one great game and now they are great for all time :rolleyes:
     
    #16 trugoy, May 17, 2009
  17. Aznoob

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    The hate for Ron Artest is wide...and idk why.

    As an earlier poster said, Ron really has saved us more times that anyone can count (ex. Jazz game, where we won 120-115 in 2OT? or was it three?)

    Three factors influence whether or not Ron is coming back:

    1) The effectiveness of TMac. Can he practice in the coming month or two, before Artest decides to maybe walk, or we decide to maybe sign him?

    2) Where's Ron gonna go? He's gonna want big money somewhere, but the only places that can offer him big money are places with crappy teams. He isn't gonna change the outlook on that team by himself.

    3) Does Morey have another deal lined up? The only way we dont sign Artest for X amount of money, is because Morey needs to devote that X amount to signing another player or two.


    Either way, I hope Artest comes back for lesser money. Although he was bad at times, he was good most of the time. Never got mad like the IND-DET brawl.
     
    #17 Aznoob, May 17, 2009
  18. Nelly

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    Why do you guys act so surprised? You've been here long enough to know the board always needs somebody to blame whether it is Steve Francis, Jeff Van Gundy, Tracy McGrady. With Yao and Tmac injured they now turn to Artest.
     
    #18 Nelly, May 17, 2009
  19. trugoy

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    of course, that was my point, he should not be paid more than the MLE
     
    #19 trugoy, May 17, 2009
  20. topfive

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    I thought it was interesting in today's game how Ron-Ron, driving to the hoop and running into a still-moving Walton, was called for an offensive foul. A bit later, Kobe did the same exact thing and ran into a still-moving Scola (I think it was Scola) and got the call.

    Double standard? In David Stern's NBA? Noooooooo...
     
    #20 topfive, May 17, 2009
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