Tuesday, June 5, 2001 10:17 a.m. EDT Lawyer: Roger Clinton's China Connection Worth Millions A lawyer familiar with U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White's Pardongate probe said Sunday that a company once owned by former first brother Roger Clinton did millions of dollars in business with Communist China. "There is a lot of evidence that very large sums of money went through CLM's accounts," Ed Hayes, attorney for Roger Clinton accuser Garland Lincecum, told NewsMax.com Monday. CLM is an acronym for the company owned by Clinton and his two business partners, George Locke and Dickie Morton. Hayes explained the latest twist in the feds' Pardongate probe to WABC Radio's John Batchelor and Paul Alexander, the talk radio duo who first revealed Lincecum's claim that his family paid CLM $235,000 based on the promise that Roger could secure a presidential pardon. In April, the Wall Street Journal's John Fund told Fox News Channel that bank records uncovered by prosecutors suggested that the now-defunct Clinton company had at least $30 million in its accounts at one time. But Lincecum's lawyer told Batchelor and Alexander Sunday that, in fact, the sum tracked by investigators through CLM accounts could be substantially larger, especially as more of the company's dealings with Beijing come to light. Evidence has also emerged suggesting that Roger Clinton was part of a much more ambitious conspiracy to sell presidential pardons than probers first suspected. "CLM may have been offering to sell pardons to a lot of people," Hayes said. Another source familiar with the probe tells NewsMax.com that key witnesses, including one who can put Roger Clinton at a meeting where pardon selling was negotiated, have "flipped." Several key players "up the food chain" are said to be waiting for their attorneys to work out plea bargains with prosecutors. So strong is the case against the Clinton sibling, said this source on background, that investigators have moved beyond mere pardon selling and are actively probing other CLM scams, which may have accounted for "hundreds of millions of dollars" in company business. CLM operations during the Clinton presidency were, in fact, so "spectacular" that questions about what, if any, role the White House may have played are likely to emerge. One curious development: Prosecutors have declined to shorten Lincecum's jail sentence in exchange for his cooperation and have yet to interview him formally. But that could mean they already have plenty of evidence against the former first brother even without Lincecum's testimony, the source suggested. Hayes revealed that investigative reporters for mainstream giants like the New York Times are now on the trail of Roger Clinton's China connection - a development that could spell additional trouble for former president Clinton if Roger is indicted, given his own extensive connections to Beijing. In its initial March 10 coverage of Lincecum's allegation, the Times reported that Mississippi businessman R.V. Wilson had described a business meeting where Clinton's partners discussed importing building materials from China. ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
Beto, you ought to seriously consider changing your handle to "Broken Record". ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
No Sir. This is new information about a subject that is met with the same response by a certain ilk. Now, who should change their name to "broken record"? ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
Just so you read my mind right, what is my response again? ------------------ Everything you do, effects everything that is.
hmm its ok to post "caption games" (which I really don't if its done) about our current President ... But to bring up treason and selling pardons to criminals is "broken record"? For as much fuss was raised about Girl Scout's selling cookies w/out a permit, I wonder if there could be any price for their pardon! ----------------------------------------- Just a quick apology for taking RMT too serious And Haven, regarding the "seriousness" is all the more point to my post. ------------------ "Bada Bing!" [This message has been edited by Space Ghost (edited June 06, 2001).]
Space Ghost: I think the credibility of the source is at issue. The caption games are a joke. This is supposedly serious. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Maybe it is about time to go dig into the the Bushies S & L ties from the 80's, which cost all of us a whole lot of dough. On second thought, NOT, we have more important issues to address.
Desertscar: S&L? And whatever it is, if he's abusing his power, then its very important. As a country, we need to quit accepting politicians are criminals, regardless who they are! ------------------ "Bada Bing!"
Beto -- Bill Clinton could rape a 2 year-old on national TV and you'd probably get a "who cares, he's still doing a good job" by some on this board.
Name one. ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Wow this is really surprising... I'm sure Bill knows nothing. ------------------ The ox is slow but the Earth is patient.
Timing: Aren't you even curious to know what the source is? I didn't exactly see a marker like AP or cnn.com. Come on... LOOK at the document. It says "communist China." Well, yes... China is communist... but how many reliable news outlets use that term? Or what about at the bottom, where it indicates that mainstream news reporters are "hot on the trail." Why haven't THEY broken the story, then? I haven't noticed that CNN has particularly high standards about certainty. And what about the source? One lawyer? Not convincing at all. Or look at the overall quality of writing. IT's decidedly mediocre. Look at the source before you take the information as truthful. This one doesn't really hold up. I haven't heard a whiff of this in newspapers, on the web, or in magazines. If it was accurate, someone else would have. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited June 06, 2001).]
Don't worry, I did not make up the article. Of course, for educated people who care about the form of debate, the source of a series of facts never matters. Only the facts themselves are important. Haven is just showing us an example of one of the most popular illogical arguments- argumentum ad hominem ("shoot the messenger"). ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
Lluvioso == Rainy Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
Nice words, one almost wouldn't notice that you've provided no proof that these 'facts' are legitimate. Have you found no corraboration for this? You've asked us to essentially 'take your word for it'. Would you take my word for it? or Haven's? No, you wouldn't take our word for it. Prove it, then come back. ------------------ "My name is Harold, and I live here all alone" [This message has been edited by Puedlfor (edited June 07, 2001).]
You know what, screw it TheFreak, bring on the infants. There's nothing I love more than watching two year olds getting raped. Hell, I'm a Democrat what did you expect. Put this stuff on pay-per-view, and I'll pay $400 to watch it cause I'm a liberal who thought the 6 year witch hunt on Clinton was a waste of taxpayers time and money. I've popped the popcorn, bring on the toddlers!!!! ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
"communist China"??? Nice sig Jimbo. Mango nailed you. BTW, I saw George Bush molest a developmentally disabled prepubescent giraffe. Here, it's on the internet in nice sexy Verdana you ****ing buffoon... run w/ it! Quote me!!! ------------------ girl you looks good won't you mock that draft up?!
heb, You are late to the game...I already made that connection, as did ZRB before me... ------------------ "You sanctimonious philistines, who scoff at me!"
