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Rockets vs. X-Men Round Three: Jackson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacBeth, Dec 13, 2003.

  1. MacBeth

    MacBeth Member

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    The average starting small forward this year stands 6-8, 226 lbs, plays 34.9 mins/game, scores 15 pts on 12.8 fga/game, deals out 2.4 assists, pulls down 5.8 boards, makes 1.1 sreals, shoots .439%, and makes 2 turnovers a game.

    The Rockets Jim Jackson weighs in at 6-6, 220, plays 35 minutes a game, scores 9.5 points on 9.8 fga/game, makes 2.6 assists, 5.2 rebounds, 1.05 steals, ahoots .379%, and turns the ball over 2 times a game.


    One interesting note is, aside from the obvious difference between assists and rebounds, the amazing statistical similarities between Point Guard X and Small Forward X.


    Tomorrow is Cato's turn.
     
  2. Sane

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    Wow, if not for the veteran experience and alleged intangeables he brings to the court, I would really be pissed. Those are horriffic numbers for him.

    Everytime a player comes to Houston, his numbers drop. Why's that? Look at Pike and JJ. Same goes for Pippen.

    I had a feeling it would happen, but can't put my finger on it.

    So far, after these 3 comparisons, I'm findnig it difficult to believe we've won 13 games. I think the final one on Yao Ming will bring everything to balance, however, so far, I've been terrrified. Mobley's was good, but not good enough.


    Maybe JJ is more suited to playing SG or playing off the bench aginst smaller SF's?
     
  3. DavidS

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    Heh, heh...

    Are you seeing it? What did JJ's other teams have in common?
     
  4. Charvo

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    JJ misses Bibby and Vlade's passing like no other player in the league. JJ has never been known as a ace marksman, but he's really a bricker this season. Rockets take some of the hardest shots in the league to get points. It's a torture to see them execute this offense without a passing point guard who is needed to get easy shots.
     
  5. DavidS

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    Charvo gets is! :D

    And how do you get "easy shots?" Do you just wish upon a star? Or do you need players that can execute it?
     
  6. Sane

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    JJ has always been a pure scorer, I'd loike to think he could get his shot off on his own, much like Mobley.

    I think we're using him the wrong way, trying to play him OFF the ball too much. He needs to create with the ball in his hands, and that's why I think he should go to the bench. I think he can be a superb 6th man, and would really make a difference to our team. I also think that Pike, Boki and Padgett all deserve more minutes at the 3 anyhow.
     
  7. DrNuegebauer

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    Any player can execute an offense - that is unless the offense is ridiculously complicated!

    Look at the Jazz - they're running that same old pick'n'roll or pick'n'pop or back door cut style offense that they've always run, and lo and behold their players score and make easy baskets out of it.

    You need an offensive system to get easy shots, or a superb player to create easy shots.
     
  8. DrNuegebauer

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    You do realise that your numbers for Point Guard X were a bit out? I posted it in the other thread
     
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    And tranversely, it seems that when players leave Houston, they excell. Why's that?
     
  10. DavidS

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    Oh yeah?
     
  11. DavidS

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    I agree. What's your point?
     
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    Not everytime. Posey's numbers (except PPG) were all on the rise from what I remember. So what do we do? Ship him out. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Sane

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    Posey's numebrs went up moer when we traded him, excpet for his PPG.
     
  14. Pat

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    Who do you have in mind? All I can think of are Hakeem, Rice, Shandon Anderson, Terrance Morris, Horry, Sammy, Ellie.

    The old guys sucked and had no more career. The marginal players are out of the league. And the middle players continued to be pretty good, but not appreciably better.

    I do remember Bullard coming back from the Hawks and playing defense. Still bad, but at least he played it.
     
  15. vcchlw

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    His point is simple: Stevie simply sucks. Jazz is a team packed with bunches of mediocre players, but their guards can still execute the offense pretty. In Rox however, with the Franchise and Cat, aka "one of the best backcourt in the NBA", can only show the ugliest basketball in the league. WHY?

    It's not because they are physically unable to do so. It's because they have been indulged in over-dribbling and isolation plays ever since they started to play basketball. The me-first mentality has been rooted deeply in their brain so that as they grew up, their physical talents develop but in their mind basketball is simply a 1 man vs 9 men game, instead of 1 team vs 1 team. It's all about mentality. No matter how physically talented a guy is, if he is just reluctant to execute an offense, he simply can't. On the other hand, in the NBA, a very high level of basketball, many mediocre players can execute offense as long as they are willing to.

    I regret to use the word "they" as Cat has really shown willingness to improve his plays. Sorry, Cat!

    Correct me if I am wrong, Dr Nuegebauer. I believe I have over-interpreted your point.;)
     
  16. smoothie

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    his #'s may be below "average". but we must think about how this average came to be.

    if you average out every starting SF's ppg, that means all of the all start SF's too, it comes out to 15ppg. fine. jj only gets 10. he can't compete with guys like vince carter and whoeer else is getting 20+ ppg and is the teams first option.

    the same goes for cat. he was a mirror image statistically of SGX. so we all say that he is just average. the truth is he has an advantage over half the league if he is right in the middle.

    im not bashing these threads, i think they are great, we just have to understand that not all of our players are gonna meat par. no team will have all 4 starters be at least what the "average" is. because the average so far is:

    PG: 15 ppg
    SG: 17 PPG
    SF: 15PPG
    if you had that on your teamyou wont nead any moe scorers but im sure the PF and centers will average the same.
     
  17. yipengzhao

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    JJ used to be a volume scorer, but some of his atheleticism was lost after an injury. I mean he's not young anymore, how much do you expect of him? He's a veteran role player. As long as he's rebounding, and playing good D, well that all Posey ever did. How many dominant small forwards have been in the league?

    Look we can't expect all of our players to be better than the X-men... if every starter scored more than 15 points a game... who would we have? The Lakers. Well we're not the Lakers baby.
     

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