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Rockets should have gone after Michael Redd

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HoRockets, Oct 2, 2002.

  1. HoRockets

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    St. Francis - The Dallas Mavericks dealt the Milwaukee Bucks a potentially damaging blow Tuesday when they signed free-agent guard Michael Redd to a three-year offer sheet worth an estimated $12 million.

    The Bucks officially received the offer sheet Tuesday afternoon and will have until Oct. 16 to decide whether to match the offer and keep Redd, or to let him join the Mavericks for no compensation.

    From strictly a basketball standpoint, the Bucks need Redd as a backup to starting shooting guard Ray Allen. In 73 games last season, Redd averaged 11.4 points and 19.9 minutes per game while shooting 47.6%. He ranked eighth in the league in three-point shooting, sinking 44.4% of his shots from beyond the arc.

    According to Poston, the offer from Dallas is worth slightly less annually than the $4.5 million mid-level salary cap exception to which the Bucks could have signed Redd.

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/buck/oct02/84260.asp
     
  2. MysticRyder

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    The rockets do not need Reed. Why not wait and see what the people we do have produce. I think it is possible that Nachbar could backup the 2 and play the heck out of the 3.

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  3. kidrock8

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    Why didn't the Mavs offer Redd the entire MCE? Do they plan on using the 1 mill or so leftover, on someone else?

    I think Mil matches, especially since it's like 1 mill less/year than what they prob expected to pay. Luxury tax or not.
     
  4. HoRockets

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    The point I would like to make is that we need a good SG backup more than any other position at the moment. Yes Tito or Boki could swing to the position, but both are 1) rookies 2) SG is not their natural position. If a player like Redd was available for MCE $$, Rox should have ATTEMPTED to acquire him regardless if he gets matched by the Bucks and stays. What if they don't match? At the moment, our rival the Mavs have the benefit of that gamble.
     
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    I don't blame the Rocks for not wanting to go into luxury tax territory just to sign someone who will play 10 mpg maybe.

    Rather sign some cheap prospect. Mebbe Voshon Lenard if he's still available.
     
  6. NIKEstrad

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    We can't say we're on the Mavs level right now. The Mavs are fully established. Why are they spending 8 mill (x2 for the lux. tax) on ANOTHER player primarily for offense.

    Francis is the backup SG. Moochie will still play close to 20 minutes a game, and Francis plays nearly 40. Cat is an iron man, plus we brought Mickeal and Torres into camp. We need a defender much more than a shooter, and Mickeal or Torres comes at 1/10 of the price of Redd.
     
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    I think I read somewhere that Boki had usually played guard, but since he was so tall he was moved to the SF. I would assume that's why he is good at driving and handling the ball.
     
  8. HoRockets

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    I remember reading somewhere that the chances of Mickeal getting signed are slim. Torres has not been offered to resign and not sure if they will offer it to him. Francis, Mobley, Mooch, and Tito are the only Guards signed. Should only one of these guys get injured (82 game season, most likely will) Rox are in trouble. Especially if it's Steve or Cat.
     
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    I think Tierre, Mickeal and Torres are signed to non guaranteed contracts.
     
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    There's just no need to do anything right now. Other than Steve and Cat, Mooch and Cato (sigh) everybody else either has health questions (Taylor, Rice) or is incredibly young. We know E. Griff's going to better than last year, but he might be twice as good. Yao and Nachbar, they might kick butt, but who knows? Let CD and Rudy see this team play for awhile, if they really need to acquire a back-up sg, they might do it. But why now? It's not like we'd be adding a piece that would make for a championship season.

    And I'm not concerned about Alexander's money, but now that training camp is here let the Rockets figure out what they've already got. They may not be as sure as some of us here.
     
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    How many of you would pay 4.5 million for Redd and then another 4.5 million in lux tax. He's a 9 million dollar player to Dallas and the Bucks. That's crazy... :rolleyes:
     
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    Actually the contract the Mavs offered Redd ... 3yrs/$12 million ... is much more than what the Bucks had on the table for Redd. The Bucks were offering ... 4yrs/$5 million ... Since the amount paid in luxury tax does not count against the cap (only the actual size of the contract does), and since Cuban is more than willing to pay the tax I don't see how the luxury tax is even an issue.

    It's still possible that the Bucks will match the offer however the Bucks are already 1 million over the cap, and unlike Cuban the Bucks owner is not as willing to pay the luxury tax. It all depends on if the Bucks owner wants to pay $8 million a year for a backup SG. It would be different for the Bucks if they didn't already pay Tim Thomas to play SF. If they didn't then the Bucks owner could justify (to himself) paying Redd that much money.
     
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    You might all feel different about this if Cat or Francis goes down with an injury. I for one am not sold on Torres yet.
     
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    I got tired of posting this too. I'd much rather us spend a little money and get a quality backup, than have to sit and watch Torres chase balls around. I know we should have signed Redd to some type of offer sheet using some of our MCE. He's alot better than any other option we have. Using Mooch as the point and Wink at the 2 really didn't get us anywhere last year. We tried it, now scratch it. We probably could have gotten him cheaper than Dallas.

    Dallas averaged over 110 points a game and was a playoff lock due to their high offense game. They also don't have a problem selling tickets.

    Alot of our games were hard to watch last year, and we were lucky to score over 90, much less 100. A little offense could make this team easier to watch, and more entertaing.

    We spent over 16 mill last year on 2 guys that sat on the bench all season, and nobody complained, 17 the year before on lifeless Dream alone, now you want to spend a couple on a needed reserve and everyone wants to b!tch.


    :rolleyes:

    I'm just tring to be consistant.
     
  15. Jared Novak

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    I definitely have to agree that the Rockets should have made an offer for Redd. Lets forget that he dropped all those threes on the Rockets last season. Redd is a definitely a great backup and his addition would have greatly solidified the backcourt.

    I am not a big fan of Moochie and his dribbling antics, nor do I like to see the Rockets go with a small lineup in the backcourt with Moochie and Wink. I definitely agree with drpepper, about scrapping the small lineup, it didn't work.

    Now before anyone goes overboard, I'm not saying that Redd is a franchise savior, but he would have been a great addition to the Rockets' backcourt.
     
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    I think Milwalkee will match so it will be a moot point. They can always trade him later (I think after 90 days), there will be some market for him outside of Dallas. Remember GS matched on Marc Jackson (who is older than Redd and probably less marketable) in a much more poisoned situation. Milw, like any other team, can ill afford to let a player like that go for nothing even if there are luxury tax implications.
     
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    That was versus European players that did not quite possess the athleticism as the NBA players he will be facing.
     
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    You can't go around over spending on the assumption someone will get injured. What happens if Cat and Francis DON'T get injured? We're stuck with a 4 million dollar per year back-up. People are STILL complaining about Moochie and Cato's contracts, now you want to add Redd's contract to that? I think that Pete Mikeal can fill that rolely nicely and cheaply and he's a defensive specialist who can also rebound and score. He could easily be the new version of Redd, remember Redd just now came into his own.

    <b>We spent over 16 mill last year on 2 guys that sat on the bench all season, and nobody complained, 17 the year before on lifeless Dream alone, now you want to spend a couple on a needed reserve and everyone wants to b!tch.
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    What!!?? All people did WAS complain about Rice and Mo's contracts. Even now, with both players possibly at 100% there are STILL people complaining about their contracts.
     
    #18 RocksMillenium, Oct 3, 2002
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