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Rockets should aim for 2011-2012 Season for Championship

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Jan 29, 2010.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    Forget this year or next.

    We're too far away. You need a lot more than another good player plus a healthy Yao to beat Boston or L.A. Too many weaknesses on this team but Morey has done an outstanding job acquiring talent cheaply.

    No trade now or later....or no FA acquisition will turn us into legit contenders. We need a star that complements our guys and Yaos.

    Just as Rudy T surrounded Hakeem with excellent 3 point shooters, we need to do something similar to fit in with Adelman's schema.

    If he wants to win ala Princeton Offense, and with Yao...then we need a guy who can hit the perimeter shot like there's no tomorrow to create some space, and a guy who can drive and dish as well. In other words, a taller but not necessarily as quick Aaron Brooks. There's not many, and they require a lot more than what we will have in spend this summer. None of the names I have seen meet that requirement. With Yao, you need a great outside shooter.

    The problem with T-mac wasn't just his attitude, it was he really wasn't that great of a 3 point shooter. If you double Yao so what if T-mac gets and open 3? T-mac was very effective passing out of him getting doubled and that's why he got a lot of assists - namely to Yao. But it didn't help his game having Yao in there. T-mac needed someone who would create space to penetrate and drive to the hole, and with Yao, it doesn't fit.

    T-mac is gone. And Iggy, or Martin won't fix the problem. In fact, it will be a disaster because not only will we not win, we'll be teased, and then we'll be locked into contract.

    In 2011, we'll have $12 million under contract. You can let a lot of guys go because you know Morey will find some new blood. Plus C-bud will be there. You figure you keep Scola, Brooks, and Yao - they may total $30 millions ( i think yao will take less than $10 million to help the team and because frankly he's not worth that much because of his tendency to be injured).

    That's about $42 million. Factor in an improving economy and you can sign a guy to a max contract.

    Guys like Carmelo Anthony, Jason Richardson, and even Caron Butler will be unrestricted free agents. You might be able to acquire not just one guy, but even two.

    Then we have great talent, and great role-players. That's what you need, because it's rare that you can get an orgy of talent (see Boston Celtics) or that you just happen across the perfect mix of talent to win a ring one season (See Detroit Pistons). It's somewhere in between.

    2011 baby. Patience now for the big reward later. Continue to be patient Morey!
     
    #1 Sweet Lou 4 2, Jan 29, 2010
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  2. dkoune

    dkoune Rookie

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    Agreed. How sweet would it be if the Rockets got the LAST NBA championship before the end of the world!!! :grin:
     
    #2 dkoune, Jan 29, 2010
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  3. VBG

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    The problem with your analysis is Yao is no Hakeem.

    T-Mac is actually a solid shooter. Not an amazing shooter because he's the one who takes shots at the end of the shot clock. He's also rarely left wide open. He also takes bad shots (doesn't mean he's a bad shooter).

    Well, personally I believe in the playoffs overall its been T-Mac > Yao overall.
     
    #3 VBG, Jan 29, 2010
  4. ThaShark316_28

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    Why aim? We're getting that title anyway...
     
    #4 ThaShark316_28, Jan 29, 2010
  5. nolimitnp

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    Wow this hasn't been iterated in some form or fashion at least 300 times in the last week. I'm getting tired of reading there oh so "original threads". I guess it a forum though. I'll just deal with it and siiiiigh.
     
    #5 nolimitnp, Jan 29, 2010
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    I guess I've been under a Rock.

    ;)

    If there is a thread already about this topic, I urge the mods to merge. I didn't see it but I admit I didn't search very hard.
     
    #6 Sweet Lou 4 2, Jan 29, 2010
  7. OldSchool34

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    I'd rather aim for next season.
     
    #7 OldSchool34, Jan 30, 2010
  8. Ramathorn006

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    LOL you believe that 2012 stuff?

    I hate being patient...blah.
     
    #8 Ramathorn006, Jan 30, 2010
  9. Tom Bombadillo

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    I disagree. Brooks+Iggy+Yao+Defense= Championship contenders imo... Easily as good as Boston and competitive with the Lakers...
     
    #9 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 30, 2010
  10. ryano2009

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    ok, you saying that we need great shooter who can hit perimeter shots, fast as aaron, drive to the whole and dish to other players !!!!, ok I got that...

    Is Carmelo Anthony any difference from T-Mac, he is following his footsteps, he is becoming like T-mac, a great offensive player, even though I think T-mac can run a team better than him.

    Jason Who ?????????!!!!!! are you serious, no comment on that...

    Caron butler, he is good players, but I still don't get your point..!! is he type of a player that will get you to a championship level...mmmmm.. I don't think so...

    My man the only way to win a championship is to sign free agent this summer, a guy like D-wade (which I think he'll never come here) or a guy like joe johnson, or sign some young players who can distribute at a high level and make a run, Other that I don't have anything else to say...



    at the end....
     
    #10 ryano2009, Jan 30, 2010
  11. theogcasey

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    Or they could just aim for a championship EVERY season. After all, that's what they're paid to play for...
     
    #11 theogcasey, Jan 30, 2010
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    That seems like a long time from now.
     
    #12 sammy, Jan 30, 2010
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    Ok, I'll admit I didn't read the original post. I glanced at the thread title and posted a half-assed response. Oops.
     
    #13 theogcasey, Jan 30, 2010
  14. Rockets Jones

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    Rockets should always aim for a championship and next year they will be contenders, given Yao's return is succesfull. For the following reasons:

    * Rockets will realise with this season's no defense that they all need to work on it. This will also mean we will have to and should want to keep Battier and Hayes, as insurance policy. Maybe with all the talk of no dominant force like Yao to protect the paint, Leslie will tell Morey to get a legit center asap or in the summer behind Yao. Something fans have been waiting for ages with Deke rarely used and now out of the picture.

    * With Yao back the likes of Budinger, Brooks, Ariza and Battier getting open 3s and hit a higher percentage is very likely.

    * The rookies will develop so expect a better defending Budinger and hopefully a good player in Jermaine Taylor who can play behind the new SG we bring in. The guy is legit, he works hard, has the chest of a monster so big, has the athleticism and can score
    (in fact, try him in nba 2k10 and he will drain threes all over the place, the guy was my saviour in the playoffs with 30+ all the time :) )

    * The PF position will be stronger than ever with Scola back to his role and having had the experience of carrying more load this year. Landry will get more playing time and can also feed off of Yao. In case we deal with 76ers for Speights we have a developing young PF who will maybe see some time.

    * Ariza will get a lot better, he can't get any worse, because he can take a load of and play besides the big man. This is what he is used to and hopefully will work out for the best.

    * The PG position is great already but with Yao back and AB & Lowry coming off the best years of their careers it will get even better. AB will show more poise, get better shots and go to work when he has to. Lowry will develop a better 3pt shot and it will be running and gunning as soon as the bench comes in.

    I have no doubt if Morey gets us a legit SG and a center behind Yao for next year, we can get very far and even win a championship. Please...no injuries
     
    #14 Rockets Jones, Jan 30, 2010
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    Anthony is shooting 36% from the outside and is the leading scorer in the NBA. He's playing great. The other guys are add-ins to someone like Anthony.

    I'd love to get Joe Johnson - but it's not going to happen. He turned down $15 million a year from the Hawks already - he's obviously looking for more. How will we get that? Not this summer.

    Ditto for D-wade.

    You can't get those guys. Not with our spending money. Not unless you trade more away than T-mac (throw in Scola and Ariza/Battier) and get nothing back but expiring contracts.

    If we try to become a contender next year, we are just dooming ourselves to be also rans again and again. To be a contender, you have to wait until you can get the right players.
     
    #15 Sweet Lou 4 2, Jan 30, 2010
  16. bloop

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    he's saying OP's scenario for a 2011 win is a work of fiction like that 2012 movie

    Tmac's problem was his shot selection. whether it was the first quarter or last 2 minutes he'd still jack up a 35% shot.... yeah it'd win him some games and get him on sports center, but it'd more often lead to game 7 loses

    Rockets need 3 things: healthy Yao, a 2 or 3 who is clutch, and directives from $$$tern to give Yao and the Rockets some superstar calls when they go up against one of his teams a la LA, CLE or Boston. that's all they need
     
    #16 bloop, Jan 30, 2010
  17. amaru

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    What "Game 7" did Tracy lose the Rockets because of his "poor shooting"?
     
    #17 amaru, Jan 30, 2010
  18. Ramathorn006

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    You are right on point. It all comes down to luck. Can we get some calls down the stretch of important games and can we stay healthy.
     
    #18 Ramathorn006, Jan 30, 2010
  19. gotsis

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    The problem is yao isnt a player with the ability to dominate, that really hurts the team, also the lakers are loaded with talent, not to mention how will yao return after a major foot surgery and 1 year without playing is a big question mark.

    with the right pieces we can probably make a shot and go deep into the playoffs, but I dont think will be at a contender level yet.
     
    #19 gotsis, Jan 30, 2010
  20. brian_chapman

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    actually they will never win it

    1.les wont pay lux tax
    2.extending landry,brooks,lowry,scola will keep the team the way it is plus a aging yao, this is not enough to win championship
     
    #20 brian_chapman, Jan 30, 2010
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