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Rockets Shooting Woes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by poprocks, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. poprocks

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    Yao and T-Mac are the only one shooting at a high level. Scola is shooting well but doesn't get enough touches. Head is shooting pretty decent but he should never be allowed to dribble the ball. The rest of them are basically mailing it in. I have never seen shooting this atrocious on an NBA team. The reason that Aaron Brooks may get some burn is that in limited minutes of 2 min per game for 3 games, he's shot at a rate of .750 and .500 from the 3 pt line.

    Our free throw shooting is completely off as a team. I mean how can we be shooting so badly at the charity stripe? Nobody is waving an arm in front of you, there's no contact and there's nothing but you, the ball and the basket. Yet almost the entire team is shooting free throws below 60 percent. What's up with that? Half the team is now shooting near career lows if not all time career low percentages.

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/stats/
     
  2. Takeoff

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    i wouldnt even say t-mac is shooting it well
     
  3. Nitro1118

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    Yeah, I agree, the shooting has been pitiful. You would think with more offensive freedom that guys like Battier and James would be shooting better...not the case, they need a more structured offense it seems. And most of these guys have gotten really good looks, but the consistency to hit open shots simply isn't there. The 3pt shooting specifically has had the bggest dropoff from last year to this year.

    As for Brooks, I hope he gets run soon. Evidently he is a lights out shooter in practice, and has a ton of speed and eplosiveness to make defenses sag off on him a bit so he can get that shot off cleanly.
     
  4. choujie

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    Tmac is not shooting well. 52% TS is among the lowest for any team scoring leader, if not the lowest.
    Rockets offense won't be very efficient if Tmac takes the most shots at that efficiency.
     
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    T-Mac is shooting his best % from both 2 and 3 since arriving in Houston.

    His TS % is also a bit warped considering his FT shooting has been so off. But still, his TS % is ahead of guys like Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Antwan Jamison, Zach Randolph, Joe Johnson, Jermaine O'Neal, Jason Kidd, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, etc... He is within 1% of Melo, Rip Hamilton, Al Jefferson, etc...
     
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    Well if you look at TS, true shooting percentage the picture is even worse. Yao is our best TS shooter ranked number 55 in the NBA. Even Shaq is rated higher than Yao. The next best TS shooter we have on the Rockets is Luther head ranked 112 in the NBA. Then Shane Battier comes in at number 125, Scola checks in at number 130, T-Mac comes in rated 169th in TS percentage. Absolutely pathetic.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...ba&page=1&seasonType=2&qualCnt=55&qualIndex=0
     
  7. choujie

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    You proved my point right there. None of the guys you mentioned are good enough to carry the team by their shooting. None of the teams are really having a much better record than Rockets except Detroit. But Detroit basicly has 4 guys taking similar amount of shots so it doesn't matter that much. Kidd doesn't take that many shots. Davis shots a lot of crazy 3s because of their team style.

    Tmac needs to attack the basket more to make Rockets more effective. Or he needs to defer to Yao more.

    One strange thing I still can't figure out in RA's offense is why RA takes away shots from Yao, who has by far the best TS% on the team and gives those shots to less efficient scoerers.
     
  8. choujie

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    Amount of shots taken is very important. I could care less if somebody takes 2 shots a game at 40% or 60% TS, but 20 shots a game at 52% is somewhat a concern to me.
     
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    tracy mcgrady shooting at high level? not even his FT shooting is considered high level
     
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    McGrady is shooting at a higher level. His shooting above his career average for one. His TS is horrible because of his Free Throw shooting. I mean we call for him to drive to the hole, but whats his conversion rate at the moment. I think teams rather foul him on the drive and foul him hard, since his shooting such a poor FT%. His standard shooting is way above his averages and his Houston Career average. Noone else on the team other then Yao Ming is shooting that well. Its not really Mcgrady's fault that the rest of the team is shooting horribly. At this point in time i'd prefer a Mcgrady bad shot, over a shot from anyone else (Bonzi layup anyone?). Yao has a problem and that is letting little guys rack the ball from him before he even shoots. Thats probably why he isn't getting as many shots.
     
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    Highlighting shooting woes is already mentioned in many threads. It's solution that is needed. I suggest blind folded shooting training for an hour every training session.
     
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    I can't believe that there is no one but T-Mac and Yao average over 10ppt!!!

    Scola is pretty good tho, average 53%, he needs more touch.

    come on Yao, go bk to low post, and let Scola shoots the jump shoot or drive in~
     
  13. choujie

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    Last time I checked, 70% FT shooting is helping Tmac in TS%. Without the FTs his TS% will be even lower. The more FTs he takes, the higher TS% he gets, that's why he needs to take to the basket more.

    Shooting above career average doesn't mean Tmac is shooting at a high level. It only means Tmac's jumpers are not as good as you think through out his career, except maybe one or two seasons.
     
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    70% free throw shooting % is just asking for someone to hack him in the back to be honest when he drives
     
  15. Nitro1118

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    JO carried his team to the ECF, Melo was an MVP candidate last year before the brawl, JJ is a top tier scorer, Arenas has lead his team to the 2nd round before and is always among the elite in scoring, you saw Davis' impact after he came back from injury last year and now what he is doing this year, etc..

    His TS % is so low not because of the amount of free throws he is taking, but because it is 10%+ lower than the likes of Kobe, AI, Redd, etc... But his actual FG % and 3pt % have been pretty good this year considering the type of scorer he is and how he hasn't been used as much as a scorer like early in the season.

    Yao doesn't get the ball a lot of times because he is fronted, battled out of good position or makes a bad TO...all things that don't show up on the stat sheet (well, the TO's do...).
     
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    JO reached the weak ECF with guys like Artest and Jackson, Riggie Miller etc and Artest might have bigger impact than him. Melo was an MVP candidate only when he had a very high TS%(around 60%) at that time. What JJ acomplished with current low TS%? Absolutely nothing. 2nd round in East by Arenas again does'nt mean anything, they were a worse team than Rockets last year. Again, Arena's TS% was higher before, lower this year, so the team did much better with him last season. Davis's impact is very overrated as he wasn't injured all the time. Last year's trade by Nelson to find players fitting his systems made much more impact for Golden State.

    Again,despite 70% poor FT shooting, Tmac's TS% would be higher if he shoots more of those instead of jacking up jump shots. His low TS means he took too many bad shots instead of attacking basket more.

    Yao actually played longer, but spent much more time on high post and was ignored much more than last year as well. Doulble team and fronting did have some effect, but not to the point that he could only have 10 to 15 shots per game. RA's system and selfishness by other players all played their role.
     
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    That's still much better than 43% jump shots. That's why I also would like to see Yao play in low post more. FTs can make a lot difference, especially in close games.
     
  18. Nitro1118

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    Your comment-

    That was dissproven. You can argue about how effective those players are and whatnot, but consdering T-mac has lead the league in scoring twice and has lead the Rockets to 2 50 win seasons out of the 3 he has been here, I'd say he is effective as the team's leading scorer and can carry the load by his scoring.

    No, his low TS % compared to the guys I mentioned is because his FT % is over 10% worse. Right now his actual shooting is on par with guys like Kobe and Redd, but they are shooing 16-19% better from the FT line. Redd is taking less than 1 more FTA per game and Kobe about 2...the difference is the % of which they are going in.

    Did you watch the first game against Dallas or against the Grizzlies? Yao has been easily fronted this year. The main difference between Yao this year and last year, at least in how his coach uses him, is that they are using him less as a cutter from one side of the lane to the other, which really takes a lot of pressure off of him and prevents fronting. I suppose they are doing this so the offense doesn't stagnate, and it doesn't put pressure on a guy like Alston to jack up a 3 if they spend the whole shot clock trying to get Yao the ball and Rafer is left with the ball with 3 seconds left. Adelman still has found ways to get him the ball, and he is taking only 1 less FGA per game.
     
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    No. They didn't carry the team by their shooting, but they carried team with passing and defense and other stuff. Tmac might have passed 1st round last year if he didn't stop attacking rim in the 4th quarter all of a sudden.


    Tmac's shooting is on par with Redd and Kobe doesn't make him look better at all. In fact that's one of the reason both Lakers and Bucks are not elite teams, just like Rockets with Tmac shooting 52% TS.


    I watched every game this year. All I can say is Yao is ignored much more and used in low post much less than last year. Result is even less effective offense for Rockets.
     
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    What the hell is with trolls who keep saying this? T-Mac had 8pts, 3 assists in the 4th quarter, and in the final 4min the Rockets went 4-5 from the field, 3-3 from the line. Yao was on fire that quarter, scoring 14pts...would you want T-Mac to completely ignore offensive rythym and the hot hand just so he can prove he can take over a game 7? Please. T-Mac did his job offensively, which was to make the right decisions and make sure the team scored down the stretch...they did.

    Offense was not the problem at the end of game 7...defensive rebounding was.

    Last time I checked, the Lakers were 15-9 and had one of the top 3-4 records in the West...

    And if you want an example of a team winning with a low % shooter, see the Sixers of 00-01...AI shot 42% and was really the only offensive option for that team yet they got the the Finals and handed the Lakers their only loss of the post season with AI's 31PPG on 42% shooting leading the way.


    At 1 less FGA per game, Yao is not being ignored. And yes, the offense is less Yao oriented, and that is better for the team. Not even the 3 peat Lakers spent so much time waiting for Shaq to get position and recieve the entry pass...they would go through their other offensive sets, something the Rockets did not do last year. The offense was actually considerably better last season when Yao went down for 32 games as their was more ball movement and less emphasis on forcing the ball into Yao.
     

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