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Rockets in midst of 9 of 11 on the road.....they are blowing it, and its their fault

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JBIIRockets, Mar 20, 2003.

  1. JBIIRockets

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    You know something, this Rocket team has really fooled me. I thought they were ready to handle the pressure of a playoff race.

    But, amazingly, the players have come into these road games with zero intensity. Francis and Mobley are not leading. Mobley instead resorts to throwing up airballs from 20 feet as he runs an iso play. There is no passing. This type of basketball is just disgraceful

    I bet Clutch really enjoyed Mobleys airball in the 2nd quarter.

    Then Glen Rice, showing his overrated leadership skills, blasts Larry Smith for not playing him more after the Seattle game. So Mr. Mean plays him more tonight, and Rice responds by playing like crap.

    Glen, I don't care what you've done lately. You suck. Part of it is Mobley and Francis's fault for not running an offense, but you're an inconsisent 3 point threat. And just when the Rockets truly need your leadership skills, you respond by not playing D, and missing your shots in the most critical of road trips. In Seattle, you only heated up when it was too late. I can't wait until your ass is outta town.

    But worst of all. they are not using Yao Ming. How stupid can the other players and coaches be not to use Yao Ming. Did they not remember the Toronto game or the latest Phoenix game. The guy is a clutch player. Can shoot over anyone. Can pass. This guy should be taking 25 shots a game by now. If the Rockets are gonna eventually lose, then do it with your best player. Let Yao learn what it takes to win.

    And don't go bashing me telling me to get off the bandwagon. I criticize because I care. The Rockets have 7 of 9 on the road to go, and so far, their approach after these first 2 road games has been without any urgency, and the fans should be insulted.
     
  2. AGBee

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    Soooo...you're saying we're not going to win the championship this year?

    You forgot to mention that our guards got lit up again.
     
  3. LiTtLeY1521

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    Okay. I can cuss too!!!!!

    GLEN RICE. YOU FREAKIN SUCK.

    Steve Francis is doing all right. WELL AT LEAST BETTER THAN MOOCHIE. God......but why the hell does Moochie get to play? He does nothing helpful. He was hopeless against a much better Mcginnis or however the hell you spell it. THE GUY WITH THE MASK.
    Mobley is just too stupid and forgets everything. He can make open shots. But he forces too much crap. He makes too many mistakes. His defense was terrible. He left Derek Anderson open too many times.
    James Posey is all right. But he can't shoot. So he is pretty much useless.
    Glen Rice looked worse. First of all.....it was the coach's mistake to not put Rice in with Mo Taylor. But look...I told you.....we will start losing again because MoRice isn't contributing anymore. Rice can't make anything now. He doesn't get many opportunities. And his defense is horrible. He can't stop anything. He's just too old.
    Eddie Griffin actually did a pretty good job.
    Maurice Taylor did OK......but his defense doesn't look too great anymore.
    Now Yao......well he is still the man. But Rudy is not there to tell our players how to adjust and he's not there to tell the players not to avoid Yao and to continue to get him involved.

    WE SUCK.

    Our offense was never really that good. We just got lucky because Glen Rice was making some shots. And Mo Taylor was back. Now our defense is the main problem. We start out terrible again....just like BEFORE OUR HOMESTAND. Same old stuff....

    That's why we need Brent Barry or Lamar Odom!! Both can shoot and create good things.

    OR WESLEY PERSON!
     
  4. dn1282

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    I won't bash you...you're right.

    You have to stick with what has been working for you in the 5 game winning streak. I'm not a Francis hater, but what is he thinking out there? Running a fast break with two blazers on each side and he tries to cross them over and turns it over. Isoing and driving into a zone that collapses on you faster than a house of cards. throwing no look over the shoulder passes to no one in particular? Mistaking Derek Anderson for posey when you're swinging the ball? WTF? How many turnovers did he have in the game? I lost count.

    Francis needs to stop playing stupid. He's paid to win. He's not paid to dazzle the fans. Who the f*$@ cares whether you throw a no look over the shoulder pass or a simple bounce pass? All that matters is the two points.

    Why did Eddie Griffin not play in crunch time? Larry Smith...HELLO!!! Motay was hot in the 1st half! Griff started the game well...never saw action again until the 3rd quarter where he once again got it going. Yet you stay with Motay in crunchtime and you go to him instead of Yao Ming? Did you just imply that since motay was hot in the 1st half that he'd still be hot? Sheesh...Even Francis' isos would have been better than Mo trying to shoot over Sheed and Sabonis.

    And someone please tell Cuttino he's a 2nd round draft pick and that he will NEVER be the number 1 option on offense on ANY team. It's just horrible. I swore he threw up at least 2-3 airballs from 20 ft. He made James Posey's "miss the rim completely but at least i hit the backboard" shots look good. :rolleyes:

    I hope i can go to the rockets at GSW game. I hope Rudy is back by then. If Larry is still coaching and Yao gets anything less than 15 shots in that game...I will declare Larry Smith as the STUPIDEST wannabe coach ever who doesn't know how to use what's available. Cato should not be playing anything over 15 minutes per. Francis has to get 20/10assists/7rb for us to beat GSW.

    I wonder what is Larry Smith gets hurt of something. I wonder what the rest of the houston coaching staff is like. Does the scale of incompetence increase exponentially???
     
  5. Yetti

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    I feel confident in saying that Larry Smith is by far the best we have, he has the most Game experience, as a former NBA Player. The others are Office Staff upgraded with the title of Coach. Thats why I have been calling for a clean sweep of our supporting coaches and the inclusion of experienced assistants, who know how to coach! Larry would do well coaching in China, with players of a different nature.
     
  6. Deuce

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    Yetti, I am in FULLY agreement with you on the assistant coaches. I am still sticking with Rudy for now and through next season but the assistant coaches don't appear to ADD anything to this team. They seem like a bunch of yes men that work well with Rudy but don't appear to add anything to the team.

    Nothing wrong with having one guy by a video coordinator and breakdown film but two? And both are "assistant coaches"? How about adding some assistants with decent Xs & Os game experience to ADD to the mix. How about adding in someone that is a good TEACHER to help teach these young players?

    It appears that Rudy's best attribute as a coach is in "player management". If that is the case then augment your staff with people that can bring other elements to the table such as teaching fundamentals and game strategy.

    Look at Phil Jackson! He is another coach whose best attribute is player management but who does he have as his staff? Tex Winter and Jimmy Clemmons. Both SOLID assistant coaches. Clemmons has had some head coaching experience and Tex Winter is a master with Xs and Os. Those people COMPLIMENT Phil with his skills. This is the type of mixture in the coaching staff that this team needs!
     
  7. JBIIRockets

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    bump..i spent a lot of time on this.
     
  8. LiTtLeY1521

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    lol......"bump"

    Well yeah.
    LARRY SMITH. Thanks for reminding me about that too!!! More reasons for why he sucks.
    In the 3rd quarter....GRIFFIN WAS ON FIRE. Not like going crazy.....but he was doing well. But then he puts Mo Taylor in WITHOUT GLEN RICE AGAIN. And then later.....he puts in Glen Rice.
    He's screwing everything up.
    And then in the 4th quarter....we repeatedly give the ball to Mo Taylor. But you could tell he couldn't do it anymore. He wasn't shooting that well...and was probably tired. He's getting so much playing time.....

    7 GAME LOSING STREAK. :)

    Oh I totally agree. Of course it won't happen. But these assistant coaches are crap. All they do is do high fives with the players and just say Good Job. They're like spectators. I mean Phil Jackson....he's got like 3 very good assistants. Don Nelson....who is a very good coach.......makes his team even better with the many assistants that he has.

    We got crap.
     
  9. GranvilleWaders

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    Yes..it is true that our players are selfish..yes..it is true that our offense is without an identity..yes it is true we are not playing like a team.. we knew this already..I guess the 5-game winning streak made us forget for a little while :(
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Let's start a new winning streak. I think the Rockets experienced one, and now they've gotten a good taste of losing. Hopefully they will compare the two, and decide they like winning more than losing the last two games.

    Defense seems to have been the biggest culprit, that being said I wouldn't mind giving Glen Rices less than ten minutes playing time. As far as offense goes, Rice is a zero on that more often than he is a positive. Yes he doesn't force his shots, but usually he doesn't knock down what opportunites he gets. There are some games where that's not true, but I don't like the idea of playing a defensive liability in the hopes that each night might be one of the few where Glenn is able to hit the open shot.
     
  11. LiTtLeY1521

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    Glen Rice won't be playing much unless he says he can guard Antawn Jamison, Mike Dunleavy, and Troy Murphy.
     
  12. Dr of Dunk

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    Artificially bumping threads is a terrible thing to do.
     
  13. LongTimeFan

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    Glen Rice will be the reason we get to the playoffs, if we do at all. Check his stats during the winning streak. Why the hell are you bashing him?

    Why shouldn't he have played more in Seattle? He's been on fire, and he almost lead us to another comeback if it weren't for Mobley's airball.

    I can't believe you singled him out - against portland he took 2 shots. 0-2. Damn he's killing us out there. If anything he needs to be more involved in the offense.

    He was 14 out of 27 three pointers in the winning streak, I'm too lazy but looks like he was averaging in high 20 mpg. Larry plays him 13 minutes. WTF? He came in and hit some big shots that almost helped us win the game.

    If you can't admit to yourself that Glen has been a big key to this winning streak and playoff hopes, you're in denial.

    Rice haters forever.
     
  14. Newgirl

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    May I ask a question, how do you guys know that our assistant coaches are a bunch of video coordinatiors?
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    Glen scores in bunches when he's hot. During that streak he had a couple of hot games. MOST games he's not hot. Even when he is hot he's a defensive liability. When he's not hot, which is most of the time, he's nothing on offense and a liability on defense. With players like Steve, Yao, Mo, even Cat, Rice isn't going to get many plays set to get him involved. It wouldn't be right to do so.

    That fact that he does score in bunches when he's hot shows that our team does the right thing by feeding the hot hand.

    I will agree that when Glen Rice is hitting his shots the Rockets as a whole are at their best. So I can kind of understand why some would want to involve him more. To me it just shows how good we could be if wad a couple of consistent shooters on the team. If we had some real three point threats we would be near the best of the best. With Glen Rice we are like that only select games.
     
  16. LongTimeFan

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    He's shooting 40% for the season. If anything, he's the most consistent. Try again :)
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    I disagree that he's the most consistent. I can 60% one night and 20% the next night. My average for the season would be 40% but I wouldn't be consistent. That's the way it is with Glen. When he's hot, he's great, other times he just can't shoot.

    The problem is that the Rockets will never be as good as they are when Glen is hitting it well. I would like the Rockets to acquire someone who shoots well and does it consistently. Also if they weren't a liability on defense it would help.
     
  18. LongTimeFan

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    Where we may disagree on his consistency, do we agree he had every right to ask for playing time? I don't see why he wasn't included in the rotation vs. Seattle, that's ridiculous. My comments about Glen was to argue against JBIIRockets bashing. He's the reason we're in the playoffs right now.
     
  19. JBIIRockets

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    Glen Rice the reason for playoff hopes?? Well, how valuable was his ass when he was in street clothes for half the season?

    In your opinion, Rice is a valuable part of the Rockets team. Since you feel that way, then how much better would the Rockets record be if he didn't get hurt? If he played every game? If you think the Rockets record would be better than is it now, then that makes him sitting on the bench in street clothes even more costly to the Rockets.

    This is the most important road trip of the season. Going 0-5 could put the Rockets in serious playoff trouble. And I am insulted that the Rockets have come out flat both in Seattle and Portland. This lack of urgency is disgraceful.

    Rice did do one good thing after the Blazer loss, basically calling out his teammates. If it works, thats great. But he better back it up by making some shots the rest of the road trip. If he doesn't the rest of the guys might blow him off.

    Like I said, part of it is Francis and Mobley's fault for not running the offense through Yao Ming. And that is where Rice benefits the most. And teams will let EG get the ball in the low post because he is a terrible passer out of it.
     
  20. kidrock8

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    We suck.

    Everyone can be blamed.

    Francis- Play some f'ing defense for once. I know you love to pad stats and you love to skip around on the court, but that doesn't win us jack$hit, when you let guys like Jason Williams light you up like an X-mas tree on a nightly basis.

    Mobley- Use your head. I know that you are used to just doing things without thinking, but for once turn on the light upstairs.

    Posey- I like the defensive effort, but make yourself useful on offense. Cut to the basket without the ball.

    Griffin- Do more than score 4 pts and grabbing 5 boards in half your starts. Like Posey, cut to the basket without the ball.

    Yao- Get pissed. This team won't do jackcrap unless we get close to 20 pts a game from you.
     

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