Rockets get Bulls pick in 2004 Draft???

I think it goes to the Jazz as part of the Amechi trade.

 

Good.. cause i would be really pissed if it was a first rounder

 

Do we even have a first rounder this draft?

 

Houston receives a Chicago first round pick in 2004, (top 20 protected) or 2 future Chicago second-round picks in 2005 and 2006. If the pick is protected in '04, the second rounders will be exercised instead. (Bryce Drew trade)

 

"To acquire Bryce Drew in 2000, the Bulls gave Houston a conditional No. 1 draft pick. That pick will be for the 2004 draft if the Bulls finish among the league's top 19 teams this season. But if the Bulls are among the 10 worst teams in the NBA, they'll retain their No. 1 pick and Utah will get second-round picks in 2005 and 2006."

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/sports/7066053.htm

I really don't want the Rockets to give a first rounder to Utah

 

have no fear...Chicago will be in the lottery this year...therefore, the pick that they owe to us..and via Rice trade, to Utah will be the two second rounders for 05 and 06.

We dont have a first rounder in 04 since we traded it..but we do have second round pick(s?).

 

Unless there's a trade we've forgotten about, I think we should still have our second-rounder, plus a second-rounder from Utah for the Rice/Amaechi trade. The Utah second-rounder is from Sacramento from the Keon Clark trade. I imagine it's Sacramento's pick, but I haven't seen written confirmation of that.

Is the draft order in the second round also in order of season record? I've never been quite clear on that. If so, a second-rounder from Sacramento would be pretty useless.

 

So basically we have missed out on the first round 2 years in a row?

 

As I understand, The League has a rule that prohibits or prevents teams from missing out on consecutive first round picks i.e. No team can be firstroundpickless 2 years in a row.

 

the rockets afaik didn´t have a first round pick in 1995 and 1996... (othella was a 2nd rounder in 96).

this rule you mentioned above, makes it impossible to trade consecutive first rounders in one year.

for example. the rockets could not acquire player X in exchange for this years first round pick (2004) and the first round pick in 2005....


and the rockets do have a first round pick this year, in case we fail to clinch the playoffs, since it is lotterey-protected....

 

Yea - but we got John Amaechi, right? Oh wait, make that Clarence Weatherspoon - ahhh, that's better.

{still stewing about that "trade"}

 

Close. The Stepien rule doesn't allow you to trade away consecutive future picks. Because we had traded away our 2003 1st round pick, we had to wait till after the draft before we were allowed to trade away our 2004 first round pick. Now, we have to wait for the 2004 draft before we can trade away our 2005 pick (unless someone gives us their first round pick in 2004 or 2005 (unconditionally)).

I mention the correction just because it doesn't matter when you give the picks away. If we made a trade this year that gave up our 2008 pick, we wouldn't be able to trade away our 2007 pick or our 2009 pick until the 2008 pick was paid, or we acquired another pick from someone else.

 

WHY WOULD SOMEBODY TRADE A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR JOHN AMECHIE.

 

Because it allowed us to free up cap room to sign Jim Jackson and also gave us the trade exception, which is very valuable.

 

Here's why. Ten years ago, teams drafted someone who would give them help that year or the next. Since most basketball players with talent are now entering the draft right out of high school or their 1st or 2nd year of college, it has gotten to the point where teams are having to draft teens with potential. Unless your pick is 1 thru 4, you're looking at 4 or 5 years down the road before you realise any results from your pick.

In other words, unless you have a lottery pick, your pick is worthless!! So the Rockets in essence traded a worthless 1st round pick or 2 2nd round picks for a worthless John Amechie. In my book, that's a wash.

 

GATER could answer this better than I, but here goes: we did the deal to (1) save money short-term to allow the signing of Jimmy Jackson without luxury tax implicatoins (true or false, I believe that was a reason) and (2) to land the $7M Trade Exception ("TE"), which allows for flexibility in the event we target a player that otherwise wouldn't be able to be had without the TE. That trade is not complete until we exercise the TE.

As an example, let's say we sign Rasheed Wallace during the offseason via S&T. Now, let me ask you, would you give up a first round pick, for Rasheed Wallace? I would, and I'm not even a huge fan of his (yet).

Grade that trade after we exercise the TE. If the TE is not exercised, then you can say that we gave an expiring contract (Rice) and a number one for Jim Jackson. Teams have done better with expiring contracts, but let me ask the question, where would we be without JJax right now? I'm holding out hope that they use the TE, and I believe history would suggest that we will indeed use it.

Now best case scenario, if the Rockets parlay the TE into Rasheed, would you change Glen Rice and a 1st round pick in for Rasheed Wallace and Jim Jackson. I would.

 

No - we gave an expiring contract (Rice) and a #1, (2) #2s (Bull's picks) and cash for John Amaechi and Sac's 2nd rounder - to save Les money from a possible Luxury Tax hit.

We could have signed JJ without doing this trade.