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The "he's too old" and "he's too injured" statements were on this board long before Hakeem was traded. Also, to what "he's too Muslim" statement are you referring; I must've missed that one. Then again, I'm trying to miss a lot of the current Hakeem talk.

 

Newsflash Flutie

Hakeem is very old and he is often injured. That's not hating, that's fact

Also we did fine without Hakeem last season while he was injured, so I doubt we're going to "suck" next season.

Where did you read about this Muslim bashing?

 

. I read some of the box scores from Rocket games and sometimes he had 3-4 shots a game. How the hell can the Dream be happy when he's being used that poorly? How can you give Mo Taylor more shots than Hakeem?


A lot of the time he was injured or playing really badly, hence him not getting a ton of shots a game. Mo rarely got many shots past the 1st quarter.

Why should he stay? To placate your desire to see him retire as a Rocket? That's being very selfish. A real fan would be happy for the man who brought their team 2 championships while surrounded by a bunch of scrubs. I guarantee this will turn out better for the Rockets anyways. They can now look to the future and not worry about Hakeem anymore. Sure they'll suck for a few years and the picks they got in return are terrible but they'll keep the young core together and will be better for it. In a way this benefits both teams greatly.

who are you to lecture someone how to be a real fan? What kind of bs is that? So real rocket fans should be happy he went to toronto? no thank you. I dont think the rocks will suck for a few years just because they lost Hakeem. Yes, they will not have a solid center, but there are plenty of successful donut teams: Jazz, Phoenix, Wolves, Mavs, the east. Rockets will still probably do better than last year, provided they resign Mo and Mooch.


Toronto isn't gonna hand over Keon Clark, Mo Peterson or even Eric Montross when they don't have to.

Mo Pete not needed on this team. Montross a waste of cap space. Clark, ech, we already have Cato. Any of those players would just be trade bait to move to another team. The picks will probably be used in the same fashion, as a sweetener in a deal to move someone. Better than nothing, as i thought the rockets were close to renouncing hakeem anyway.

Please, just be happy for him and stop the hating. The "he's too old", "he's too injured", or "he's too muslim" rants are kinda sad.

he is too old. He is very injury prone. Live with it. I dont know where you get this hes too muslim thing from though, like dod said.

I think the raps are a much better team now. THey have no real weaknesses if a. williams keeps developing nicely. They put together the best team they could, and now its time to see what they can do with it in the next few years...

PS I told you Hakeem had ALL the leverage

 

What's so unusual about a public figure, let alone a sports icon, being bashed?

But, if Hakeem had handled his business in a better fashion, there'd be less 'hating' on him.

How could he have handled his business in a better fashion you ask? Simple. Make up his damned fickle mind on what he wants to do, and be a MAN, and do it. Perhaps he made up his mind after the last game of last season. Maybe he's acting like the
b!tch he's grown into being, and wants to 'get back' at Rudy or whoever. So he hires Dan Fegan, delays neogiations, and basically cancels the Rockets from any shot of any big name free agent.

Yeah, yeah, the Rockets could've renounced him from day one, and go after who we wanted. But that right there shows you what a class act Les, Carroll, and Rudy are. Unlike that Hakeem. I don't know what he meant by "Rockets were never even in the game." But if taken literally, Hakeem needs to get smacked.

So there, that's why there's so much Hakeem bashing. There's no other indication that he tried to be a class act. Loyalty works both ways. Hakeem gave us 17yrs, but at the same, we were damned good to him. To do us like he did, is really a shame, and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

But good luck to the man. I can see how he feels he'll be of better service to the Raptors than he could be on the Rockets. The Rockets actually wanted to concentrate on their future, rather than stroking Hakeems ego.

 

What I want to know is if the Rockets were, according to Dream, "Never in it," then why didn't he tell us this sooner before we waisted the whole damn off-season trying to sign someone who thought we were "never in it?"

 

I'm still wondering where you read about Muslim bashing Flutie...

 

If one reads some of the threads in the past few weeks, one will definitely see the "hakeem-hating". Nolan Ryan left in a similar situation, why wasn't there any hating then? I do see Flutie's point. I'm a die hard rocket fan and i live in dallas,but houston needs to give hakeem his props by showing a little gratitude. Threads like "hakeem sell out " or posts like "our supporting cast won those championships", "you could have put patrick at center for houston and hakeem for Ny, houston would still win that championship", these speak highly of our rockets fans.

I just hope there isn't a single boo when he comes back to houston as a raptor. In fact, I hope there is a standing ovation. I mean the guy helped us get two championships. The oilers didn't do anything, astros didn't and part of the reason of choke city was them and finally it had to fall on the rockets to take the blame of choke city. If we didn't win that series or that championship, I don't think this city would be capable of digging itself out of that hole. We would have been compared to the likes of the clippers , probably worse. Afterall, we were the choke city, La has another team.

 

Here's how I see it...
He's gone get over it....
You can't change how loyal Houston Rocket fans feel as well as loyal Hakeem Olajuwon fans feel....
Some are mad because he left for money....
There are so many reasons why some people are mad... I...myself, am just trying not to bring him up anymore....
He's gone, get over it and lets look to the future not keep arguing about him leaving, He's gone not the Houston Rockets...
I'm ready to see where Houston will go from here...
We have a great backcourt with a young frontcourt player who will need time to develop in Griffin and we are in need of some type of center Cato and Collier are not enough, at least just another body for the long season....

Lets talk about the Houston Rockets future with Stevie Franchise being our man now.......

We will only see him twice a year so lets not worry about Dream its time for the future with Franchise, Cat, Griffin and the rest of our young players.....

Our future looks bright!!!!

 

He waited for more money like any normal person would do. Let the 2 sides play against one another and increase the bids. If the bids don't increase, you can at least say you got the maximum out of the winning team. Come on Flutie, wake up.

 

You don't know that for a fact. For instance, the Internet wasn't really a "consumer good" back when Ryan left, so there's no way you can gauge the public sentiment.

 

Excuse me, but since when has Clyde Drexler been a scrub? And for that matter, Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, and Vernon Maxwell? Yes, Olajuwon carried the teams especially the '94, but if you think he carried the '95 team all by himself and don't acknowledge Drexler then you must have not really been watching.

You must not be a real Rocket fan. Yes, the Rockets played better when Olajuwon was healthy and gave a damn, but that was only for about 20 games in the last 2 years. The Rockets did fine last year when he was hurt or indifferent, but at the same time, they do need someone else other than Cato and Collier. For you to think that the Rockets will suck just because he's gone is pretty asinine and stupid on your part. If you really feel that way, why don't you cheer for the Lakers. Then when the Rockets "get good", maybe we'll let you back on the bandwagon.

 

Hey Flutie stop ducking the question, you just accused all of the Rockets fans of disrespecting an entire religion by saying "he is to muslim", where did you hear that? You didn't lie and make it up did you? And Dream is old, he's 38 years old, he's injury prone, and has been since 1998, that's a fact. I don't know why Toronto fans are so worried about what Rocket fans think anyway. It came down to Dream taking less and keeping the team together, or overpaying Dream and setting back the team and organization. Dream made the choice for us unfortunately. It is sad to see a legendary player like him go, especially when he should have retired a year or 2 ago, but it had to be done.

 

It's not about Shandon Anderson and Moochie Norris, it's about what's better for the team. Hakeem simply did not understand, or flat out ignored the cap situation. Sure the Rockets would've liked to pay him what he wanted, but it wasn't possible. Les, CD, and Rudy have a tough job balancing that line between pleasing the individual players and doing what's best for the team. If Hakeem wanted a legitimate shot at the Finals, he should've remembered that we need to sign others also.

The "you" is a collective representation of Houston Rockets fans and their loyalty. Actions speak louder than words. He disrespected the organization by being as difficult to deal with as possible.

Flutie, you see, a great team doesn't neccessarily consist of all great players. And all great players doesn't constitute a great team. This logic should explain to you why our team of "scrubs" won back to back world titles. In that same breath, our current Rockets are a very good team. Can you think of a more exciting team to watch? Anyway, take note of the chemistry when you watch our two blowout wins against Toronto this coming year.

 

Rockets are better than the Raptors???

Clutch i don't know what you are talking about!!!

First all this Eastern Western Conference **** should not be taken into consideration. Look at the record of the Raptors at the end of the year when they had gotten KEON CLARK, CHRIS CHILDS, ( TRACY MURRY ) . The team did just as well against the Western Conference as it did against the Eastern. The East also plays a different type of game. Yes, they don't have the big men like in the West. But, the East(Ex. Philly) were the only ones in the NBA to beat those LAKERS. Who don't forget beat every team in the WEST without LOSING ONE GAME!!!!

So go figure it out........

 

Flutie -- Hats off to you for your civility and earnestness throughout the "Waiting for Hakeem" melodrama. I hope you guys win the East next year. In fact, if we don't win the West (and I'd be shocked if we did), I'll root for the Raptors and Hakeem to go all the way. But that's just my heart talking. Here's what my head says: A year from now, Hakeem will have spent half the season in a suit, the Raptors will still have zero championship rings, and you'll be visiting the fan bulletin boards of some other NBA teams, looking to see what they want in exchange for taking on the rest of his contract.

 

Flutie:

Your post in this thread was completely fine.

However, you should realize that you said some things you probably shouldn't have during the signing phase.

It strikes me as a little supercilious to come here, quite polite, after Olajuwon became a Raptor. Taking the high road now is easy for the winner. Too bad you didn't take it when there was some doubt as to Hakeem's destination.

And if there aren't days when Hakeem only gets 4 shots in a game in Toronto, I'll eat my foot.

ps. Hakeem royally sucked for a while last year, which is why his playing time was sparse at times.

You're doing the same thing others on this board are guilty of.

Limited playing time is a result of bad playing, not the other way around.

PS
I'd be very interested in seeing you respond to the merits of Clutch's post, instead of whining about him being immature.

The truth is, he absolutely destroyed your position. Let's see some rebuttal.